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Indeed you're quite right, gf, but there's has been a concerted effort to develop the recon capabilities of the sniper teams since the introduction of the SR-98 and AMR-50 rifles.gf0012-aust said:
Along with these capabilities, the NINOX kit has come on line including the portable TI's, new spotting scopes and even COTS Sony digital camera's which can be conducted to RAVEN/WAGTAIL Radio's and the data rapidly transferred back to BHQ.
These camera's haven't been "ruggedised" and take a bit of looking after in the field, but were actually (and probably still are) one of the only near "real time" recon assets the Army possessed. Of course they had the Surveillance LAV's in 2 CAV, but the Sniper teams were the only "Army wide" capability...
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i would like to discuss semi and single/bolt action sniper rifles.
I think i read somewhere, and both have their own advantages, and both make the same mistake of revealing the shooter if shot from the same spot or shot from very close the target.
The semi auto which i have no idea how, but leaves a trail of "distrubed" air (gaseous air) like an rpg (smoke)?????, which can reveal the position.
bolt action when reloaded would reveal the position. I think the website i read this on was howstuffworks, but the website doesn't explain why that would happen. Can please some one clear that up for me. thanx in advance.
is Barret unlike M4A1/3 semi auto????
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I think i read somewhere, and both have their own advantages, and both make the same mistake of revealing the shooter if shot from the same spot or shot from very close the target.
The semi auto which i have no idea how, but leaves a trail of "distrubed" air (gaseous air) like an rpg (smoke)?????, which can reveal the position.
bolt action when reloaded would reveal the position. I think the website i read this on was howstuffworks, but the website doesn't explain why that would happen. Can please some one clear that up for me. thanx in advance.
is Barret unlike M4A1/3 semi auto????
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No, you can use smokeless rounds. More to the point is that there is other technology that can be used to identify the sniper.ThunderBolt said:
Australia has a technology which has been also sold to the US Secret Service as a sniper detection system.
If that system is in place, then I'd hate to be a sniper with a family. They're going to miss him at family gatherings.
nope, nothing like it. two completely different weapons.ThunderBolt said:
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thunderbolt, reloading a bolt action rifle involves a necessary amount of movement. It is movement, rather than "gaseous" disturbances which tends to reveal a snipers location.
I fail to see how a bolt action weapon would avoid a gaseous air disturbance, if a semi-automatic weapon creates one. Are they suggesting that semi0automatic sniper rifles are employed to create a higher rate of fire? THAT would reveal the snipers location, repeated fire...
The skills of the Sniper are more important than the particular operating system of the rifle. Hide placement and construction has more to do with protecting the sniper. Movement once in a hide will give away your position every time...
I fail to see how a bolt action weapon would avoid a gaseous air disturbance, if a semi-automatic weapon creates one. Are they suggesting that semi0automatic sniper rifles are employed to create a higher rate of fire? THAT would reveal the snipers location, repeated fire...
The skills of the Sniper are more important than the particular operating system of the rifle. Hide placement and construction has more to do with protecting the sniper. Movement once in a hide will give away your position every time...
I recall reading a history of carlos hathcock and wondering at the absolute skill level of guys like that - they are absolute freaks when it comes to concealment.Aussie Digger said:
I was involved witha ballistics project a few years back where we had to test a system against a sniper team. part of the test was that they had to fire and move, and progressively move closer to the target. on their final shot they were required to be closer than 20m and not visible by the spotter sitting next to the target.
those guys are freaks.
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They have to be. Their life depends on it...
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Yeah GF is right. I was working with a technology which had been used as a sniper detection system too (Doesn't work too well with automatic fire though). Although my usage of the system was strictly non-military however that system had tons of potential for spying and military applications.gf0012-aust said:
You can read about it here...its a PDF file:
http://www.xbow.com/General_info/Info_pdf_files/XbowNewsletter_Q1-05.pdf
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There is another tech around used by spec ops guys. I can't remember the name but, each sniper shares a view of target(s). I think they use some sort of live cameras, any more info on this, plz help.
Guys what about Dragunov sniper rifle. I think its great.
Here is the info:
Courtesy: http://www.sovietarmy.com/small_arms/svd.html
Description:
The Sniper Rifle Dragunov (SVD) is a gas-operated, semiautomatic weapon. It fires the Soviet 7.62 x 54R cartridge and uses a detachable 10-round box magazine. Its overall length is 1,225 millimeters, and its empty weight is 4.3 kilograms. (Its loaded weight with bayonet is 4.78 kilograms.) Its bolt mechanism and gas recovery system are similar to those of the AK and AKM; but, because of the difference in cartridges used, parts are not interchangable with the assualt rifles. The most distinguishing feature of the SVD are the open buttstock, which has a cheek pad for ease in sighting, and telescopic sight mounter over the receiver. It has a combination flash supressor/compensator. It may mount the standard AKM bayonet. The Soviets issue it with four magazines, a cleaning kit, and an extra battery and lamp for the telescopic sight.
Capabilities:
The SVD fires approximately 30 rounds per minute in the semiautomatic mode. It has a maximum effective range of 1,300 meters with the 4-power telescope or 800 meters without it. The PSO-1 optical sight has a 6-degree field of view. It contains an integral, infrared detection aid and an illuminated rangefinder recticle. Thus, the SVD is effective in daylight against point targets or at night against active infrared emitters, such as night driving aids and weapon sights. It can fire light ball, heavy ball, steel core, tracer and anti-tank incendiary ammunition.
Limitations:
The SVD can fire only light and heavy ball-type ammunition with accuracy. Even though it is equiped with a bayonet, the SVD is not an ideal weapon for close combat because it can fire only in the semiautomatic mode. Its weight and length also limit its maneuverability. The 7.62 x 54-mm rimmed cartridge of the SVD is not interchangable with the 7.62 x 39-mm rimless round of the AKM.
Remarks:
The Soviets developed the SVD in 1965. It entered service in 1967 and is the standard Soviet sniper weapon. One squad in each motorized rifle platoon has an SVD; selected riflemen receive regular, centralized sniper training on it. Largely due to its open buttstock, the SVD is lighter than older sniper rifles.
The following data comes from Janes Infantry Weapons 1995 - 1996.
Cartridge: 7.62 x 54R Operation: gas, short-stroke piston, self loading Locking: rotating bolt Feed: 10-round box magazine Weight: 4.3 kg with PSO-1 Length: 1.22 m Barrel: 622 mm Rifling: 4 grooves, rh, 1 turn in 254 mm Sights: fore, adjustable post; rear, U-notch, tangent Muzzle velocity: 830 m/s Rate of fire: ---- Effective range: 1000 m
Here is the info:
Courtesy: http://www.sovietarmy.com/small_arms/svd.html
Description:
The Sniper Rifle Dragunov (SVD) is a gas-operated, semiautomatic weapon. It fires the Soviet 7.62 x 54R cartridge and uses a detachable 10-round box magazine. Its overall length is 1,225 millimeters, and its empty weight is 4.3 kilograms. (Its loaded weight with bayonet is 4.78 kilograms.) Its bolt mechanism and gas recovery system are similar to those of the AK and AKM; but, because of the difference in cartridges used, parts are not interchangable with the assualt rifles. The most distinguishing feature of the SVD are the open buttstock, which has a cheek pad for ease in sighting, and telescopic sight mounter over the receiver. It has a combination flash supressor/compensator. It may mount the standard AKM bayonet. The Soviets issue it with four magazines, a cleaning kit, and an extra battery and lamp for the telescopic sight.
Capabilities:
The SVD fires approximately 30 rounds per minute in the semiautomatic mode. It has a maximum effective range of 1,300 meters with the 4-power telescope or 800 meters without it. The PSO-1 optical sight has a 6-degree field of view. It contains an integral, infrared detection aid and an illuminated rangefinder recticle. Thus, the SVD is effective in daylight against point targets or at night against active infrared emitters, such as night driving aids and weapon sights. It can fire light ball, heavy ball, steel core, tracer and anti-tank incendiary ammunition.
Limitations:
The SVD can fire only light and heavy ball-type ammunition with accuracy. Even though it is equiped with a bayonet, the SVD is not an ideal weapon for close combat because it can fire only in the semiautomatic mode. Its weight and length also limit its maneuverability. The 7.62 x 54-mm rimmed cartridge of the SVD is not interchangable with the 7.62 x 39-mm rimless round of the AKM.
Remarks:
The Soviets developed the SVD in 1965. It entered service in 1967 and is the standard Soviet sniper weapon. One squad in each motorized rifle platoon has an SVD; selected riflemen receive regular, centralized sniper training on it. Largely due to its open buttstock, the SVD is lighter than older sniper rifles.
The following data comes from Janes Infantry Weapons 1995 - 1996.
Cartridge: 7.62 x 54R Operation: gas, short-stroke piston, self loading Locking: rotating bolt Feed: 10-round box magazine Weight: 4.3 kg with PSO-1 Length: 1.22 m Barrel: 622 mm Rifling: 4 grooves, rh, 1 turn in 254 mm Sights: fore, adjustable post; rear, U-notch, tangent Muzzle velocity: 830 m/s Rate of fire: ---- Effective range: 1000 m
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