Battle Plan
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FutureTank
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Their's not to reason why,Still too much variables for me which could go wrong. Even when the plan works fine (How often does this happen...). Might the best you can do with your troops but I would still call it to much risk to attack this town.
Their's but to do and die:
Alfred, Lord Tennyson.
Best plans are simple plans, but I don't claim genius, nor are they always possible.
I have reduced the posibility of anything going wrong by reducing the distances as far as possible.
The only thing that can go wrong is that the wood will not light because of dew, but a bit of petrol on the pile, and the resin in th egreen pine should do the trick.
There is not much splitting of force, so the unity of command is observes, as is security since the vast majority will be in the woods.
use the long grass as cover, infiltrate to the edge of the long grass during the night Set up your machine guns around the barn. Use your machine guns on the forward machine guns and trenches, as soon as the enemy has been forced to put his head down charge the first line of defence, without waiting hit the second line of defence.
Use your arti in a counter battery role, hopefully your own troops will be to close to the enemy for him to use his own arti on your infantry.
In close in fighting numbers might tell.(might)
At the sametime (during the nighttime use the river bank as cover to move a couple of squads in a commando role (volenteers) to blow the bridge and creat a demonstration in the rear.
The blowing of the bridge (or fire fight if discovered) shall be the signal of the general attack. If the commando is captured without a fight the attack will go in at a predetermined time.
Do the same in the forest, again with a small number of volenteers, create a big demonstration to full the enemy. The best option is to try to unnerve the enemy and panic him out of his positions.
Screw the truck
The plane shall circle above dropping granades and machine gunning any of the enemy who move to rienforce the front line!
I expect at lest 50% losses.
The situation is nonsencicle, out gunned by an alert enemy in an entreched position. Even with the best of luck its going to heavy going.
Huzzah!
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Originally Posted by FutureTank
But the orders are to capture the town, not burn it down!
semantics... better to burn a town than waste 5,000 lives in a futile assualt
wow how american i like it, screw the hearts and minds!
Use your arti in a counter battery role, hopefully your own troops will be to close to the enemy for him to use his own arti on your infantry.
In close in fighting numbers might tell.(might)
At the sametime (during the nighttime use the river bank as cover to move a couple of squads in a commando role (volenteers) to blow the bridge and creat a demonstration in the rear.
The blowing of the bridge (or fire fight if discovered) shall be the signal of the general attack. If the commando is captured without a fight the attack will go in at a predetermined time.
Do the same in the forest, again with a small number of volenteers, create a big demonstration to full the enemy. The best option is to try to unnerve the enemy and panic him out of his positions.
Screw the truck
The plane shall circle above dropping granades and machine gunning any of the enemy who move to rienforce the front line!
I expect at lest 50% losses.
The situation is nonsencicle, out gunned by an alert enemy in an entreched position. Even with the best of luck its going to heavy going.
Huzzah!
Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureTank
But the orders are to capture the town, not burn it down!
semantics... better to burn a town than waste 5,000 lives in a futile assualt
wow how american
i like it, screw the hearts and minds!The only way to get them out of the town is to raze it. You can't take it by storm, so what can you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureTank
But the orders are to capture the town, not burn it down!
semantics... better to burn a town than waste 5,000 lives in a futile assualt
wow how american
FutureTank
Banned Member
Its 2ft tall grass. This means a 1 mile crawl at night a according to your plan!
There is no edge in the briefing! The field stops at the trench line customarily covered by barbed wire and maybe mines.
You don't know hwere the barn is in the field. It may not be in range of the German trenches. That is why you will not find the barn in my solution.
Refer to above suggestion on location of own machine guns relative to German positions
On what frontage? Basic tactics require concentration of effort.
Where did you see mention of a second line of defence?
With two 30 year old cannon?! What about close support of infantry in the attack?
Unlikely since in trench warfare all trench lines were pre-registered to allow own artillery to fire within a dozen yards of the positions.
But you have the 4000 Allied troops attacking on the whole front from river to woods! That is at least a mile. Allowing for the 2 up 1 reserve formation, that is 2600 troops with a density of 1.4 per yard, which is almost Napoleonic!
Hmm...where were the orders to blow up the bridge? It may be required in later Allied advance!
A 'demonstration' is a military term that means 'show of force'.
It will also alert all the German troops
Have you ever considered the difficulty of coordinating nigh attacks during WW1? General Monash had to lend his own watch to a raiding force sergeant because watches were scarce at this time. Given that snipers used to look out for sigarette light, how does one verify the time on the watch while lying in grass all night a few hundred yards from the German trenches? How many men will fall asleep during this advance?
Its hard to 'demonstrate' in a forest because it naturally provides cover.
How?
Its an asset, so why not use it?
The pilot is not that expereinced. In any case one plane can't cover a mile of front, and particularly so where defending troops are in a town.
The highest asseptable loss rate in planning is 33%, so if you expect higher the plan would never be approved.
nonsencicle?
Cheers
no they dont have night vision you dont have to drawl all the way.
theres a level field with the barn in the middle before the town.(after the long grass)
Why would'ent they have a trench line? or a second trench line? it would make sence.
nobody said they had mines.
the boer war would have been about 12 years before.
as for the attack they dont all have to charge at once.
you have to cut the bridge and rail link to prevent resupply.
the commando attack is designed as a distraction to draw reserves away from the front.........
theres 5000 allied troops and 4000 germans dude
could'ent be bothered to go on, just cause no one liked your plan dude, no need to nit pick mine.
huzzah!
But i did like the idea of blowing smoke in the enemys eyes using one airplane
engine, smoke rises
What if there all from the city
what if the germans are already holding the woods in force.
the germans would know an attack is in the post for days before hand. there not going to hang about, they invented the idea of active defence, they would be in the woods before you.
the idea of my attack is to go in as soon as possible, suprise. Considering the force levels this is the best option (or dont attack at all!)
yeah Cheers
theres a level field with the barn in the middle before the town.(after the long grass)
Why would'ent they have a trench line? or a second trench line? it would make sence.
nobody said they had mines.
the boer war would have been about 12 years before.
as for the attack they dont all have to charge at once.
you have to cut the bridge and rail link to prevent resupply.
the commando attack is designed as a distraction to draw reserves away from the front.........
theres 5000 allied troops and 4000 germans dude
could'ent be bothered to go on, just cause no one liked your plan dude, no need to nit pick mine.
huzzah!
But i did like the idea of blowing smoke in the enemys eyes using one airplane
engine, smoke rises
What if there all from the city
what if the germans are already holding the woods in force.
the germans would know an attack is in the post for days before hand. there not going to hang about, they invented the idea of active defence, they would be in the woods before you.
the idea of my attack is to go in as soon as possible, suprise. Considering the force levels this is the best option (or dont attack at all!)
yeah Cheers
FutureTank
Banned Member
I didn't 'nit pick' your plan. I just tried to make a point that your plan did not adhere to orders, and had some quite unrealistic parts to it.no they dont have night vision you dont have to drawl all the way.
theres a level field with the barn in the middle before the town.(after the long grass)
Why would'ent they have a trench line? or a second trench line? it would make sence.
nobody said they had mines.
the boer war would have been about 12 years before.
as for the attack they dont all have to charge at once.
you have to cut the bridge and rail link to prevent resupply.
the commando attack is designed as a distraction to draw reserves away from the front.........
theres 5000 allied troops and 4000 germans dude
could'ent be bothered to go on, just cause no one liked your plan dude, no need to nit pick mine.
huzzah!
But i did like the idea of blowing smoke in the enemys eyes using one airplane
engine, smoke rises
What if there all from the city
what if the germans are already holding the woods in force.
the germans would know an attack is in the post for days before hand. there not going to hang about, they invented the idea of active defence, they would be in the woods before you.
the idea of my attack is to go in as soon as possible, suprise. Considering the force levels this is the best option (or dont attack at all!)
yeah Cheers
Wire and mines went with trench warfare like Dixie and the South
Plans are not written with 'what ifs'.
I didn't write it to be liked. It was a challenge
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Aussie Digger
Guest
Or you could just send in Chuck Norris!!!
He could take 4000 Germans no problem and I'm pretty sure he was alive during WW1...nfloorl:
(No offence intended Waylander...)
He could take 4000 Germans no problem and I'm pretty sure he was alive during WW1...
nfloorl: (No offence intended Waylander...)
The leading killers in WWI were, famine, Maxim type machine guns, and of course Chuck Norris.Or you could just send in Chuck Norris!!!
He could take 4000 Germans no problem and I'm pretty sure he was alive during WW1...
This is how I would handle it.
You have a Sopwith Camel, use it, the virgin pilot has to lose his virginity at some point in the war, so now is the time for it. Have him conduct air recon and harrassment fire with his machine guns on the Germans, you can also start using artillery to zero in on the German guns and positions, let him be your forward observer, he has a good picture for adjustment fire.
Don`t attack from the woods, the Germans will be expecting this, pick a day that the wind is blowing from the wood line into the direction of the town, light the woods on fire for smoke effect.
Designate two battalions for reserve, they can be used for a direct attack when a weak point has been identified in the German lines, or used to cover the bridge and rail line.
Attack form two directions, the tall grass side and the hilly side with all artillery guns and your virgin manned Sopwith a blazing away.
You stand a 50/50 chance of success, if you fail then burn the town to the ground so that the enemy can`t use it either.
You have a Sopwith Camel, use it, the virgin pilot has to lose his virginity at some point in the war, so now is the time for it. Have him conduct air recon and harrassment fire with his machine guns on the Germans, you can also start using artillery to zero in on the German guns and positions, let him be your forward observer, he has a good picture for adjustment fire.
Don`t attack from the woods, the Germans will be expecting this, pick a day that the wind is blowing from the wood line into the direction of the town, light the woods on fire for smoke effect.
Designate two battalions for reserve, they can be used for a direct attack when a weak point has been identified in the German lines, or used to cover the bridge and rail line.
Attack form two directions, the tall grass side and the hilly side with all artillery guns and your virgin manned Sopwith a blazing away.
You stand a 50/50 chance of success, if you fail then burn the town to the ground so that the enemy can`t use it either.
AK SWIFT Leader
New Member
Forget about it. The odds aren't with you.
I, as a commander of an airsoft unit will only do an operation when the odds are with me.
3:1 is the minimal accepted.
Therefore, if the odds are with you, and you have a good plan, you have a high chance of success.
I, as a commander of an airsoft unit will only do an operation when the odds are with me.
3:1 is the minimal accepted.
Therefore, if the odds are with you, and you have a good plan, you have a high chance of success.
Probably no point responding to threads like this mate, considering the last post was from almost three years ago - I'm sure the guy's paper is long overdue
uncleiroh13
New Member
i still want to say this:
what i would do is i would take about 1-2000 men to go at night one by one kill off a troop and take his uniform then get them across the bridge after leaving a note written in german that the dead troops got a radio call to go back to base and disable the radio or make it go to mine (all of this at night) then in the morning get the two artillery pieces to two different positions and make them bomb the town 30mins or 1 hour before dawn to wake them then attack the town in waves and tire them out then get the plane and fly over head to scare them then i would make one more wave and attack with the truck with the two machine gunners to scare them and yell we will have more men by tomorrow (by now they should of called for reinforcements but only i would hear it i would say the reinforcements will be there tomorrow). The next day i will make the guys in the german outfits come and try to blend in with the rest of the germans then i will radio them to attack from withen when their gaurd seems the lowest and in the chaos in the ensuing battle i would make the rest of my troops attack including the truck with the machine gunners (which has been fortifed with tree branchs) then in the entire chaos i should come out in victory but with alot of casualties because my men look like germans so some of my men may be killed by friendly fire but im sure there would be a way to recognize them if you find this post tell me if this is a good or bad strategy
what i would do is i would take about 1-2000 men to go at night one by one kill off a troop and take his uniform then get them across the bridge after leaving a note written in german that the dead troops got a radio call to go back to base and disable the radio or make it go to mine (all of this at night) then in the morning get the two artillery pieces to two different positions and make them bomb the town 30mins or 1 hour before dawn to wake them then attack the town in waves and tire them out then get the plane and fly over head to scare them then i would make one more wave and attack with the truck with the two machine gunners to scare them and yell we will have more men by tomorrow (by now they should of called for reinforcements but only i would hear it i would say the reinforcements will be there tomorrow). The next day i will make the guys in the german outfits come and try to blend in with the rest of the germans then i will radio them to attack from withen when their gaurd seems the lowest and in the chaos in the ensuing battle i would make the rest of my troops attack including the truck with the machine gunners (which has been fortifed with tree branchs) then in the entire chaos i should come out in victory but with alot of casualties because my men look like germans so some of my men may be killed by friendly fire but im sure there would be a way to recognize them if you find this post tell me if this is a good or bad strategy
fixdeluxe1
Banned Member
Divide and conquer.Divide into 6 1000 man groups and assualt from all sides.Sorry I typed up a detailed plan but the computer decided to refresh the page and it was lost.Just use foward ranks to open fire while rear ranks advance,but 2000 men stationed at the river to capture the bridge,then 2000 men to fight in the open field with the support of the guns and 2000 men hiding in th forest who then push foward,divert german troop strength then use some of these men to entice the centre of the german defences.Make sure to garrison the Barn and use as a foward base while the truck is used to ferry supplies and the wounded/dead.
Hope this was of some assistance.
exported_kiwi
New Member
I think, if allied intelligence is doing their job correctly, news of the reinforcements will come in a timely fashion. Why not send 2 battalions out to prosecute their reinforcement route, equipped with machine guns on both flanks. This will draw a lot of the, supposedly "dug in" town defenders out to assist the reinforcements. While the rescuers are heading towards the reinforcements to assist, attack the town and take it. Quickly bring the flanks back closer to the town with their machine guns and position them for enfilade fire. The remaining 3000 Allied troops can dig in inside the town, with their artillery and whittle the numbers down to a manageable level before they hit the front of the allied troops defending the town and the flanks with combined, and massed machine gun/rifle fire. Maybe, each of the flank battalions can leave a company in the rear thereby blocking off the enemy escape....a nice little killing "box".
I realise this is oversimplified, but, with the knowledge we have, this seems to me to be the best option for controlling the situation, and winning with the numbers and weapons given. The trucks can be used for logistics, the planes fuel for anti personnel molotovs.
I realise this is oversimplified, but, with the knowledge we have, this seems to me to be the best option for controlling the situation, and winning with the numbers and weapons given. The trucks can be used for logistics, the planes fuel for anti personnel molotovs.
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