Australian Special Forces Program a Major Success

[AGRA]

As for losing rank, I would be interested to know how exactly this works. I knew a Corporal who transferred to the commissioned ranks. He was required to start from scratch, as a staff cadet and then work his way up, however, he retained the pay-grade of Corporal until it was surpassed by his commissioned rank pay-grade. As for W.O.s and Sergeants, I have not spoken to anyone directly, but I've heard second-hand that W.O.s may transfer across as Captains (after 18 months at RMC as SCDTs).

Hah! No WO getting a commision goes to RMC. They are directly commissioned as SSOs.

 

[AGRA]

Maybe I am a bit more mature than you sonny.

I do not have a born to rule attitude - but you are arrogant for sure, if you are indeed in service - I am sure it is a known trait of yours already.

As for service - perhaps if you knew a bit more about me you would not be so ignorant.

I stand by what I said, "Respect for authority is not a matter of choice, I know the OSB agrees on that one - too bad for you."

Leaders lead mate - and all leaders shown respect for the leadership above them - which is why with your current attitude you are not capable of being a leader.

If you have no respect for those above you - you have already conveyed the message that it is ok for your men to not respect your leadership. I doubt if that would make you a good leader.

You may not know how to pull a trigger - but that does not make you a good leader - something you obviously know nothing about.

Come back and talk to me when you get educated son.

What a wanker. You're be flushed in the first few weeks. OSBs take anyone who's half literate these days, but with this attitude you're find yourself very, very much alone.

 

[Aussie Digger]

Maybe I am a bit more mature than you sonny.

If you were, you wouldn't be going around attempting to "prove" it to anyone.

As for service - perhaps if you knew a bit more about me you would not be so ignorant.

So tell us oh mighty one. Everyone else who has previous service within ADF hereabouts has mentioned it, obliquely or otherwise.

I stand by what I said, "Respect for authority is not a matter of choice, I know the OSB agrees on that one - too bad for you."

Leaders lead mate - and all leaders shown respect for the leadership above them - which is why with your current attitude you are not capable of being a leader.

If you have no respect for those above you - you have already conveyed the message that it is ok for your men to not respect your leadership. I doubt if that would make you a good leader.

You may not know how to pull a trigger - but that does not make you a good leader - something you obviously know nothing about.

Come back and talk to me when you get educated son.

At least he can construct a sentence, unlike yourself, SIR...

Perhaps when you've actually PASSED your officer selection board, served some time in the military, proven yourself a capable operator and THEN proven an effective leader as many have on this board, you can speak with some authority.

Until then, you come off as little more than a Cadet officer, which I STRONGLY suspect you are.

Respect? Show a little and perhaps it might be returned. This is NOT the military and your attitude shows you have little understanding of the differences between such.

 

[old faithful]

dark Angel, mate, i can speak with a little expearience. i served as an instructor at (of sorts) at RMC Duntroon, 1991. (TSP) Thats training support platoon. We did demo,s, instructed field craft played enemy etc for the officer cadets of RMC and ADFA. With your high and mighty attitude, you would do well. When you got posted to a REAL platoon,in a REAL line uint, your Platoon SGT would take you under his wing, and teach you how to be a REAL Platoon Commander. He might even let you in on some secrets about how to lead REAL soldiers, and EARN some REAL respect! Untill you EARN that respect, your men will look to your leadership with caution, like it or not, that is a FACT!

 

[icelord]

What a wanker. You're be flushed in the first few weeks. OSBs take anyone who's half literate these days, but with this attitude you're find yourself very, very much alone.

i'm semi literate and i got knocked back at OSB...what the hell?

 

[icelord]

For all the soldiers and crew out there who took offence - sorry. You will have one less army officer to break in, I have informed DFR of my decision and as to why.

Crap. hes coming navy way...craphwell

 

[Dark_Angel]

Good riddance, "Doctor"...

 

[Brent]

Any info will help

This is my first post, but I am interested in the original topic of discussion. I am currently an NCO with the Canadian Forces, and have been for almost 9 years. My wife has decided she is moving to Australia, nomatter what! We are in the process of trying to find the best VISA. I have been told that I can transfer but then I would remain a Combat Engineer and I would like to try something different. The problem is to apply it states I must be an australian citizen or a permanent resident, how long must I be living in Australia before I am considered a permanent resident. I called the recruiters last night, I spent a long time on hold and now I'm worried to get the phone bill. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

The info in the previous posts about direct entry SF was helpful as well.

Brent

 

[gf0012-aust]

I spent a long time on hold and now I'm worried to get the phone bill. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

mate you need to invest in a phone card - far cheaper for international calls.

I thought there was a fast track for entry into ADF for commonwealth neighbours? There's no shortage of canadians, english, kiwis, south africans and rhodesians/zimbabweans in the ADF.

My suggestion (barring a response from one of the others) is that you contact Immigration and get a formal response for your own clarity.

http://www.immi.gov.au/immigration.htm (Visas)
http://www.immi.gov.au/contacts/index.htm (Gen enquiries)

and if you're going to ring, get a phone card - I think I used either a T-Mobile or Sprint international calling phone card when I was in Canada recently.

failing that, contact the Aust'n High Commission in Ottowa. They should be used to these kinds of questions.

http://www.ahc-ottawa.org/

 

[barra]

Brent,
You just need to be eligible to become an Australian citizen when you join. You might do better to contact the Aust. Army directly, they will most likely help you through the process considering your background. SF are always advertising for recruits(within ADF anyway) you would be better off getting here and then applying for SF entry.

Cheers, Barra

 

[AGRA]

This is my first post, but I am interested in the original topic of discussion. I am currently an NCO with the Canadian Forces, and have been for almost 9 years. My wife has decided she is moving to Australia, nomatter what! We are in the process of trying to find the best VISA. I have been told that I can transfer but then I would remain a Combat Engineer and I would like to try something different. The problem is to apply it states I must be an australian citizen or a permanent resident, how long must I be living in Australia before I am considered a permanent resident. I called the recruiters last night, I spent a long time on hold and now I'm worried to get the phone bill. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Brent, we want you. The Australian Army can organise your lateral recruitment that will GIVE YOU citizenship and that of you wife. I've organised a lateral or two and while there's a bit of paperwork its not hard. One lateral was from a British Army infantry officer and he ended up in engineers! So there is some lattitude for corps transfer. The fact that you are an experienced NCO is far more important.

Please send me a private message and I will forward to you the email contacts of the lateral recruitment personnel.

With a few more Canucks our hockey team is going to start looking good!

 

[gf0012-aust]

Please send me a private message and I will forward to you the email contacts of the lateral recruitment personnel.

You may need to send me an email with the contact email address you wish to use for Brent. As he is on 1 post he won't have PM capability yet.

I will then pass on your contact email to Brent (via his email address nominated at registration)

 

[Brent]

Thanks

I just wanted to thank everyone for their helpful information. I have heard a few rumors that there is a fast track for people who have been employed in a commonwealth army. If anyone knows where I can get more info about this it would be much appreciated.

Thanks again Brent