Bit of a bugger innit? Oh, well I suppose we can go back to the Musorians. :wink:
Where is the problem with fighting against different kinds of US OPFOR?
Big-E is right when saying that most of the possible enemies the west faces on the world uses mostly russian equipment and sovjet style tactics.
For every other occasion you can go to US NTC, our NTC, or other NATO facilities and play against western tank boys.
Not good for your ego to get punched into the ground by units which have a home game but you learn much.
Big-E is right when saying that most of the possible enemies the west faces on the world uses mostly russian equipment and sovjet style tactics.
For every other occasion you can go to US NTC, our NTC, or other NATO facilities and play against western tank boys.
Not good for your ego to get punched into the ground by units which have a home game but you learn much.
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1 Armoured Regt will operate 3x Regular Sqn's of M1A1 vehicles, up from the 2x Regular Sqn's and 1x Chocco Sqn of Leopards they used to operate...
In reality? 41. About the same as the number of Leopards they currently operate...
I would imagine the vehicle maintenance schedule will be managed in a similar way to that of the Leopards. The situation for the Abrams is identical to that of the Leopards. Why NOW is it a big problem?
I'd personally prefer that the majority of 1 Brigade consolidate in Adelaide anyway. Darwin is a hole (IMHO) and in my experience most people posted there tend to leave Army pretty shortly thereafter...
As I pointed out, Oz's possible threats don't. Therefore, practicing against an OPFOR which exclusively utilises ex-Soviet weapons and tactics would be foolish.
Mmmm, thats what the US OPFOR boys believed. IIRC they changed their tune after encountering 6RAR at the NTC.For every other occasion you can go to US NTC, our NTC, or other NATO facilities and play against western tank boys.
Not good for your ego to get punched into the ground by units which have a home game but you learn much.
Because of this just make it in three different ways.
- Train against sovjet style OPFOR.
- Train against normal NATO style OPFOR.
- Do your normal training within the units.
Should be enough.
As to the beating the US OPFOR took.
Who talks about yankees as capable OPFOR? (Don't beat me for this little joke! :nutkick )
- Train against sovjet style OPFOR.
- Train against normal NATO style OPFOR.
- Do your normal training within the units.
Should be enough.
As to the beating the US OPFOR took.
Who talks about yankees as capable OPFOR?
(Don't beat me for this little joke! :nutkick )Why assume that there are only two ways to skin a cat?
As China is our biggest landbound threat in the region, they don't fight like either fUSSR or NATO, so training against either of those wouldn't prepare us very well for fighting against the PLA, now would it?
There is more to the world than just NATO, the US Army and the fUSSR, you do realise?
As China is our biggest landbound threat in the region, they don't fight like either fUSSR or NATO, so training against either of those wouldn't prepare us very well for fighting against the PLA, now would it?
There is more to the world than just NATO, the US Army and the fUSSR, you do realise?
You wan't to run that by me again?
I am quite sure that the NTC boys are capable to adjusting to China type tactics, that is part of their job description to know different countries tactics on the battlefield, and even if you do have masses of armor coming at you, do you not still get the benefits of fighting as a cohesive unit, learning to work closely with your other military units. I think that you under estimate the value of using this facility, we are not a bunch of idiots who still view Russia as the primary threat.
Appears self-explanatory to me. Do you believe the PLA is merely a Soviet clone or something?You wan't to run that by me again?
Mmm, thats not the impression I've received from discussing the abilities of OPFOR with people who have gone through the NTC.
What else did you expect them to be?
Okay - what is the abilities of the OPFOR units at the NTC center, and BIG E is correct, China uses ex Soviet stlye tactics.
I also don get the problem.
Do you want to ask the PLA for training?
They are heavily influenced by Sovjet tactics and for sure have also their own ideas and looked closely at the actions of others like for example both gulf wars.
But what is their main difference to sovjet tactics?
And you just have no other options.
There are just those three possibilities which should all be used.
1. Train within your units especially small unit operations (BTW, do you bought MILES together with the Abrams?)
2. Train with special OPFOR units. There are enough possible OPFOR units out there which are good for mixing sovjet style tactic with western and other tactics (Poland, Egypt, US, Germany, etc.).
3. Train against normal foreign units of your friends and allies. Good for bigger unit training and the main tasks (operate and maneuver with your own unit and keep it running even under pressure) are also trained very well there. And you should find a training partner in nearly every possible environment.
Do you have another idea?
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Do you want to ask the PLA for training?
They are heavily influenced by Sovjet tactics and for sure have also their own ideas and looked closely at the actions of others like for example both gulf wars.
But what is their main difference to sovjet tactics?
And you just have no other options.
There are just those three possibilities which should all be used.
1. Train within your units especially small unit operations (BTW, do you bought MILES together with the Abrams?)
2. Train with special OPFOR units. There are enough possible OPFOR units out there which are good for mixing sovjet style tactic with western and other tactics (Poland, Egypt, US, Germany, etc.).
3. Train against normal foreign units of your friends and allies. Good for bigger unit training and the main tasks (operate and maneuver with your own unit and keep it running even under pressure) are also trained very well there. And you should find a training partner in nearly every possible environment.
Do you have another idea?
There are
There is nothing more left
AD,I dont consider Darwin a hole, in fact i love it! However,when i lived in Brisbane,i found that place a hole. No beaches,junkies breaking into cars and just a generaly boreing city. Not even barramundi there! i think young soldiers dislike darwin cause young soldiers tend to get beaten up for being tools in town, and Territory locals tend to be a bit Harder than their big city counterparts.(the lack of single girls may be a facter!) and yes its hot. But 1 brigade had better get used to it, cause the Bde is only going to get bigger!
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Each to their own I guess. I am NOT a fan of hot weather, so that pretty much decides my opinion of Darwin...
As to beaches, there are plenty in Brisbane City. Did you never visit Wynnum or Sandgate? How many beaches can you SWIM at in Darwin???
Anyhoo, as to 1 Brigade getting bigger, I agree. But only in Adelaide where a large portion of the Brigade is to be moved to...
They haven't been a Soviet clone for decades. Time you shook off your own Cold War beliefs, I suspect.
Does it? According to whom? Most of the references I have indicate that they have developed their own tactical doctrine and used it, since the Civil War days.
Since the Civil War days they were trained and equipped by the Soviet Union. They are a clone from military districts all the way down to the people's war concept. Sure they adapt it to their needs but to say using a USSR OPFOR won't help you against the PLA is BS.
Sir, you're entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. I would suggest that we should leave it there and agree to differ. If you wish to believe the PLA is merely a clone of the fUSSR, then you are entitled to believe it. I however believe that the PLA is far more than just a clone of the fUSSR's army, having been moulded by substantially different experiences and drawing upon a different base for its doctrine and theories. While there are superficial similarities, there are also substantial differences in doctrine and equipment.
How can you deny Soviet Red Army doctrine dominating the PLA? You act like the rise of communist China was another world from the Soviets... it wasn't. Mao copied the Reds all the way down to the olive drab. They drew upon the same doctine and theories. The only difference in doctrine and equipment is a lack of it. The PLA has always been a poor version of the Red Army until recently, now they actually start to measure up. The fact you haven't provided any examples leads all of us to believe you speak with no authority on this subject.