Australian Army: Women on the frontline; news article.

[Aussie Digger]

I also agree with no women in combat units like artillery, there is just no need. Now there are plently of roles women can do in the military. Of course can one extend this argument to figther pilots ?

No and I wouldn't even try. There are women pilots and Navigators in Australia's F-111 fleet right now who are performing an excellent job. They might be flying F/A-18's too, though I haven't heard of any...

 

[Dr Phobus]

No and I wouldn't even try. There are women pilots and Navigators in Australia's F-111 fleet right now who are performing an excellent job. They might be flying F/A-18's too, though I haven't heard of any...

I wonder how they do under the phyisical stress of high-g combat ?

As far as i know, the american's have a fair number of women in combat support units.

 

[WAR]

I wonder how they do under the phyisical stress of high-g combat ?

To put it in light humour, as well as in serious mode: Do you know much G's and stress required for a women to gave birth to a child? I mean don't under estimate women.

If I may say so, this is perhaps our chauvinistic approach which hinders in putting women equal in our minds and thoughts.

 

[Dr Phobus]

I wonder how they do under the phyisical stress of high-g combat ?

To put it in light humour, as well as in serious mode: Do you know much G's and stress required for a women to gave birth to a child? I mean don't under estimate women.

If I may say so, this is perhaps our chauvinistic approach which hinders in putting women equal in our minds and thoughts.

well said, however, the G forces i do not think are a factor in child birth. But on this point, there are women pilots in the USAF flying fast jets and i have heard nothing negative. So, well, maybe this is a mute point. However, I stick to my views that not women in combat units

 

[Lonewolf]

If due to manpower contraints, and we must have women in a physicaly intensive combat role, then the unit should be ALL women so that the performance of the unit as a whole would be more even.

But I still advocate that women should not be posted to physicaly intensive role units like Infantry , arty, Engineers, scouts even armor.

Not sound crass but logicaly those well "endowed" women would fine it difficult to move around in a cramp conditions like a Ifv or Mbt especially during an emergency and u have to go out through the emergency hatch.

Even as a storeman can they carry water, rations, ammo, fuel, ( not a very glamorous job but very important nevertheless essential even ).

As far as I am concern as long as she can perform as well as a men in mental and physical I have no issues, if she cannot, then too bad thats life.

If I am not wrong in Isreal the women are also consripted into the army, same as the men they have to serve 2 years

 

[Stryker001]

It all depends on the country and the way the public are socialised into women on the frontline. I believe one day in Australia women will be in the thick of it, but not just yet. As technology increases the gulf between male and female service personnel will be minimal in most areas. Perhaps even as SF operators.
Time will tell

 

[Dryotriorchis]

I was talking to a "well endowed" friend of mine, and she was saying that the bigger the breast the more pain was felt when doing things such as running. Something to consider...

 

[Cootamundra]

I was talking to a "well endowed" friend of mine, and she was saying that the bigger the breast the more pain was felt when doing things such as running. Something to consider...

My wife is well endowed as you call it and she says the same things. None of this matters though. If the women pass the same tests (mental and physical) as their male colleagues then I have no issues with women either on the frontline or back at the rear. Most of those against are stuck in day's gone by, the only thing that should rule is that NO standards should drop to accomodate either sex.

Coota

 

[Stryker001]

Women play sports that involve running and jumping all the time. Steriod monkeys suffer from the same problem. But there is no sports bra developed for the steriod monkey yet. To the best of my knowledge that is.

Cheers

 

[Wooki]

I wonder how they do under the phyisical stress of high-g combat ?

As far as i know, the american's have a fair number of women in combat support units.

Women as a general rule can withstand higher G forces than a man because of the shorter distance between the heart and the brain.

Case in point in a recent study, German Air force entrants were required to do a G test without any training, to test their physiological apptitude to resist G. In all cases the female applicants exceeded the male applicants tolerance for G forces. I am not sure, but I think this has become a standard test in the German armed forces.

So basically the ideal is a small, muscular stature (for both Men and Women) capable of flexing the lower muscle groups to resist G forces as long as possible. e.g. Tom Cruise is short and muscular, so it follows that with the proper training he would resist G better than an NBA basket ball player.

 

[gf0012-aust]

I was talking to a "well endowed" friend of mine, and she was saying that the bigger the breast the more pain was felt when doing things such as running. Something to consider...

easily fixed with a sports bra. my daughter does maritime security work mixed in with a part time career as a stunt woman in movies.

she trains v hard and refuses to be beaten by men in issues such as cardio and basic strength - very strong willed (like her dad )

she trains full contact with a en ex-Sth Korean specwarrie instructor - and his advice years ago (from training Sth Korean female specforces operators) was to get good support fittings and everything would be ok.

she generally has better stamina, cardio and duration than her male partners on the team. she only loses out on absolute physical strength.

 

[steve33]

I think all aspects of the military should be open to woman including special forces but they should have to attain exactly the same minimum standards as the men no handouts,they earn the right to wear the uniform like everyone else and woman shouldn,t have a problem with this because they have no doubts they are just as good as men and can do anything.

I read that in New Zealand all posts are open to woman including SAS, does anyone know if woman have to attain the same standards as men for infantry roles in the New Zealand defence force?.

 

[seantheaussie]

I think all aspects of the military should be open to woman including special forces but they should have to attain exactly the same minimum standards as the men no handouts.

Actually this would prove a problem. The UK army did a study recently which found that only a tiny percentage of women could reach the average standard of men in infantry. Like you I thought who cares about average, how many reach minimum? Eventually I realised that if there were a lot of women accepted who exceeded minimum but were less than average, the average capability of the corps would drop, which would get people killed(although quantity has a quality all its own).

 

[steve33]

Thats are really good point Sean i never looked at it like that,a lot of them might make the minimum but not go to far past it and upper body strength is a major issue when you think that the future warfare is going to be house to house flushing out insurgents and female infantry may very well find themselves having to go hand to hand with the enemy and the girls with there egos talking will say no problem and you would have to think if thats the case why do so many woman fail to fight off rapists or abusive partners it is because physically men have an advantage.

 

[zoolander]

lol. the women in the army become men. Have u seen them, they are bigger than half the men i hang out with but thats usually a exception. Women usually are not assigned on the battlefronts. they are banned from all at least most special forces. the ones that do fight are huge as i explained before. Women in my opinion should not be aloowed to fite. they are a distraction and in many cases i mean many they get pregnant.

God or evolution made men the warriors. no offense to women but most roles in the army are for men just because women are incapable of fullfilling alot of them.

women can work as a armed forces non combat worker.

they can also work as nurses, drivers, pilots or snipers.

but leave the killing and hard work for the men

 

[Aussie Digger]

lol. the women in the army become men. Have u seen them, they are bigger than half the men i hang out with but thats usually a exception. Women usually are not assigned on the battlefronts. they are banned from all at least most special forces. the ones that do fight are huge as i explained before. Women in my opinion should not be aloowed to fite. they are a distraction and in many cases i mean many they get pregnant.

God or evolution made men the warriors. no offense to women but most roles in the army are for men just because women are incapable of fullfilling alot of them.

women can work as a armed forces non combat worker.

they can also work as nurses, drivers, pilots or snipers.

but leave the killing and hard work for the men

Being a former Navy SEAL mate, I'm SURE you're aware that to become a Sniper in the first place, you NEED a VERY solid grounding in basic infantry skills and in fact need to demonstrate much higher than average skills as an infantry soldier.

I'm sorry, but I find your comments in your previous post extremely ignorant. If you think women are unsuitable for the majority of roles in the military, have a close look at the Israeli and New Zealand armed forces. Circumstances FORCE them to employ women in nearly all roles, and from all accounts they perform just as well as men.

MANY women have served in operational situations with the Australian Army. NEVER have I heard of one becoming pregnant whilst serving on military operations, let alone "many". Can you give me even 1 example of this occuring, supported by a reasonable amount of evidence?

If you want proof of my experience, I can PM you my service history, regimental number, unit particulars and even the name of my last "boss". No doubt you being a former SEAL, would have "many" contacts within SOCOMD. They can verify MY bonafides for you. Are you willing to do the same as GF suggested?

Out of interest. Which team did you serve with?

 

[gf0012-aust]

Being a former Navy SEAL mate, I'm SURE you're aware that to become a Sniper in the first place, you NEED a VERY solid grounding in basic infantry skills and in fact need to demonstrate much higher than average skills as an infantry soldier. ........

If you want proof of my experience, I can PM you my service history, regimental number, unit particulars and even the name of my last "boss". No doubt you being a former SEAL, would have "many" contacts within SOCOMD. They can verify MY bonafides for you. Are you willing to do the same as GF suggested?

Out of interest. Which team did you serve with?

AD, he wan't be answering this post for a while. He was banned for telling fibs earlier today.

Check in at the moderators section and you'll see the traffic.

 

[LancerMc]

zoolander, while I agree with you statement that women aren't ready to special forces, the notion that they can not serve in other front line combat units is a very biased. I completely respect your point of view as a former SEAL, but women in American forces have need been given their chance to prove themselves. We can't know what women can do in combat situations until we put them in combat.

I have known and talked with many females officers and soldiers and many feel that could perform many of the tasks in combat just as well as men. They just want to be given the chance to prove themselves.

Women have been shown to be effective combat pilots, and shown great skills in recent conflicts. The Swedish Navy has started having women serve on their submarines, and had no problems over the issue.

I can't see why women can't drive MBT's, APC's, and travel with infantry units. The most important thing that must be put into place before women serve in combat units, is that they meet the same exact physical and mental standards as men. Now that would weed out quite a few women, but the women who qualify meet the right standard.

I think one of the problems with issue is that many nations aren't ready to see women come home in body bags. A good example of this is when Jessica Lynch's unit of ambushed, and the reaction of the American public. So part of the issue of women in combat moves beyond the scope of the military but into political and philosophical issues.

 

[steve33]

I agree no hand outs if the woman are as good as the men prove it,they should have to pass the same standards as the men.

In New Zealand woman can join the SAS and i am sure they wouldn,t be allowed an easier ride.

 

[gf0012-aust]

ALL NOTE​

Zoolander is not an ex SEAL.

The reason why he has been banned was because he misrepresented his background on this site.

Tha ban is temporary as he admitted to the deception when challenged. He will be able to return after serving 1 months suspension