I was only referring to Archer. It would not be as survivable in the event of a close hit but it’s a lot more than a gun on a truck. As for shoot and scoot times it’s comparable and in some ways better as speed to next position would be superior.
My argument was only around the logistics of getting to the fight. Vehicle transport and crew transport are all additional movements and resources. Drive the last 4-500kms and devote the transport to fuel and ammo. As for the heavy formation argument I don’t see that as all that valid for the guns as they would/should be far behind the front lines. Even far behind the front lines, the outcomes in Donbas for stationary armoured and logistics vehicles suggest a sweeping change to thinking is either happening or coming.
For the cost of the 30 guns the AU army is getting ($1.3b) and the trucks required to move them we could have had 60-80 tubes ($4.5m each cost plus 2x that in support...sorry can’t copy the Wikipedia link for some reason) and the adage quantity has a quality all of its own still applies these days. If we are not on a budget these days it’s certainly coming.
Takao .....you said Overall, a GOAT is less flexible, less capable, slower and less resilient to a SPH - tracked or wheeled..... I’d argue otherwise on all bar the resilience under fire.
All a bit moot but we have discussed moot points plenty of times on this thread.
My argument was only around the logistics of getting to the fight. Vehicle transport and crew transport are all additional movements and resources. Drive the last 4-500kms and devote the transport to fuel and ammo. As for the heavy formation argument I don’t see that as all that valid for the guns as they would/should be far behind the front lines. Even far behind the front lines, the outcomes in Donbas for stationary armoured and logistics vehicles suggest a sweeping change to thinking is either happening or coming.
For the cost of the 30 guns the AU army is getting ($1.3b) and the trucks required to move them we could have had 60-80 tubes ($4.5m each cost plus 2x that in support...sorry can’t copy the Wikipedia link for some reason) and the adage quantity has a quality all of its own still applies these days. If we are not on a budget these days it’s certainly coming.
Takao .....you said Overall, a GOAT is less flexible, less capable, slower and less resilient to a SPH - tracked or wheeled..... I’d argue otherwise on all bar the resilience under fire.
All a bit moot but we have discussed moot points plenty of times on this thread.
