Aussie AAW vessel candidates.
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type 45 looks so good! thank for posting!
type 45 looks so good! thank for posting!
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The type 45 seems like a futuristic ship. :smokingc:The Watcher said:
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That F-100 is a lovely looking ship. I hope that whichever design is chosen that Tactical Tomahawks are included in the weapons fit. Australia strike capabilities are about to be seriously degraded when the F-111's are retired whatever the Government might say to the contrary. This would go a long way to redressing the balance and would give the RAN it's first real strike capability since HMAS Melbourne was retired in the early 80's.
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Here's an interesting article on the Australian Air Warfare Destroyer project.
Date line: SYDNEY
Australian Defence Minister Robert Hill refused to comment on reports Thursday that he had overruled his defence chiefs to include a US company on the shortlist for a six billion dollar (4.4 billion warship contract.
The Australian Financial Review said defence chiefs wanted to look at Spanish and German designs for air warfare destroyers but Hill insisted a US design also be considered because he wanted to bolster ties with Washington.
Australia plans to buy three destroyers and plans to have them in service by 2013.
Hill's office refused to comment on allegations he had altered the shortlist but said the US design warranted its place.
"The minister's view is that we need to have the Americans in there with respect to the fact that they've produced the vast majority of air warfare destroyer ships that have been built," a spokeswoman said.
The Australian Strategic Policy Institute ASPI), an independent defence think tank, said there were concerns the Australian government had an unofficial policy of favouring US military hardware over other alternatives.
ASPI military analyst Aldo Borgu said Canberra had committed to spending up to 16 billion dollars on the US-developed joint strike fighter without even knowing when the aircraft would be ready for service.
It also ordered 59 second-hand US Abrams tanks this month at a cost of 550 million dollars and will spend US six billion dollars on Aegis guided missile systems.
"There's concern in the defence industry that political considerations are driving acquisitions and alternatives from places like Europe are simply not in the running," Borgu said.
He said Australia was under US pressure to buy Sikorsky helicopters when it replaces its troop lift fleet, in preference to its major rival, NH Industries/Eurocopter.
A decision on the helicopters is expected in the next few weeks.
The three firms vying for the destroyer contract are Blohm and Voss of Germany, IZAR from Spain and US firm Gibbs and Cox. A decision on the contracts is expected in mid-2005.
Here's the link.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cg...?session=dae.2653372.1071218039&modele=jdc_34
Well apart from the M1A1's and the joint strike fighter I hardly think that Australia solely acquires defence equipment from the US. Our armie's wheeled armoured recon vehicles are Canadian, (ASLAVs) our Lightweight howitzers (Hamel L119 105mm guns) are British, our air defence missiles come from Britain (Rapier) and Sweden, (RBS-70) our main general service vehicles are British (Landrovers) our main truck is German (Unimog) our rifles are Austrian (Styer), our machine guns are Belgian (Minimi, FN MAG 58, M2 0.50 Cal QCB Brownings) our current main anti-armour weapon is Swedish (84mm Carl Gustav) though this is soon to be supplemented by the M98A1 Javelin which is US made. Our Mortars are US designed but we use South African ammunition and the mortars will soon be replaced with a (most likely) South African designed 81mm mortar. Our current M198 155mm howitzers are US manufactured but it's very likely our replacement ones due in the 2007 - 2010 timeframe, will be European or South African based. Our Sniper rifles are British (Accuracy International 7.62mm and 0.50 calibre rifles), our new Tiger Armed reconnaissance Helicopters are French/German, our ANZAC class frigate are Australian built but of German design, our Collins class Submarines are Australian build but of Swedish design, our new patrol boats are of Australian build and design, our Minhunters are Australian build and Italian design. Our airforce is almost solely US sourced, though this may be changing a little with our new air to air refuelling tankers likely to be Airbus A330's. Our lead in fighter aircraft is British being the Hawk Mk 127. In addition the NH-90 is in a very good position to win our helicopter replacement program and several other European defence platforms are the lead candidates for Australian service. Overall the article sounds like a bit of whingeing to me. Australai generally choses the most cost effective capability and I think the ADF attempts to keep all suppliers reasonably happy. Cheers.
Date line: SYDNEY
Australian Defence Minister Robert Hill refused to comment on reports Thursday that he had overruled his defence chiefs to include a US company on the shortlist for a six billion dollar (4.4 billion warship contract.
The Australian Financial Review said defence chiefs wanted to look at Spanish and German designs for air warfare destroyers but Hill insisted a US design also be considered because he wanted to bolster ties with Washington.
Australia plans to buy three destroyers and plans to have them in service by 2013.
Hill's office refused to comment on allegations he had altered the shortlist but said the US design warranted its place.
"The minister's view is that we need to have the Americans in there with respect to the fact that they've produced the vast majority of air warfare destroyer ships that have been built," a spokeswoman said.
The Australian Strategic Policy Institute ASPI), an independent defence think tank, said there were concerns the Australian government had an unofficial policy of favouring US military hardware over other alternatives.
ASPI military analyst Aldo Borgu said Canberra had committed to spending up to 16 billion dollars on the US-developed joint strike fighter without even knowing when the aircraft would be ready for service.
It also ordered 59 second-hand US Abrams tanks this month at a cost of 550 million dollars and will spend US six billion dollars on Aegis guided missile systems.
"There's concern in the defence industry that political considerations are driving acquisitions and alternatives from places like Europe are simply not in the running," Borgu said.
He said Australia was under US pressure to buy Sikorsky helicopters when it replaces its troop lift fleet, in preference to its major rival, NH Industries/Eurocopter.
A decision on the helicopters is expected in the next few weeks.
The three firms vying for the destroyer contract are Blohm and Voss of Germany, IZAR from Spain and US firm Gibbs and Cox. A decision on the contracts is expected in mid-2005.
Here's the link.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cg...?session=dae.2653372.1071218039&modele=jdc_34
Well apart from the M1A1's and the joint strike fighter I hardly think that Australia solely acquires defence equipment from the US. Our armie's wheeled armoured recon vehicles are Canadian, (ASLAVs) our Lightweight howitzers (Hamel L119 105mm guns) are British, our air defence missiles come from Britain (Rapier) and Sweden, (RBS-70) our main general service vehicles are British (Landrovers) our main truck is German (Unimog) our rifles are Austrian (Styer), our machine guns are Belgian (Minimi, FN MAG 58, M2 0.50 Cal QCB Brownings) our current main anti-armour weapon is Swedish (84mm Carl Gustav) though this is soon to be supplemented by the M98A1 Javelin which is US made. Our Mortars are US designed but we use South African ammunition and the mortars will soon be replaced with a (most likely) South African designed 81mm mortar. Our current M198 155mm howitzers are US manufactured but it's very likely our replacement ones due in the 2007 - 2010 timeframe, will be European or South African based. Our Sniper rifles are British (Accuracy International 7.62mm and 0.50 calibre rifles), our new Tiger Armed reconnaissance Helicopters are French/German, our ANZAC class frigate are Australian built but of German design, our Collins class Submarines are Australian build but of Swedish design, our new patrol boats are of Australian build and design, our Minhunters are Australian build and Italian design. Our airforce is almost solely US sourced, though this may be changing a little with our new air to air refuelling tankers likely to be Airbus A330's. Our lead in fighter aircraft is British being the Hawk Mk 127. In addition the NH-90 is in a very good position to win our helicopter replacement program and several other European defence platforms are the lead candidates for Australian service. Overall the article sounds like a bit of whingeing to me. Australai generally choses the most cost effective capability and I think the ADF attempts to keep all suppliers reasonably happy. Cheers.
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Blohm + Voss evolved concept design based on the Sachsen Class Frigate (F124) . Whilst the F124 utilises a European air warfare system, the concept design also offered a version of the Aegis system (SPY-1F configuration).
More images here: http://members.home.nl/7seas/F124_with_SPY.htm
More images here: http://members.home.nl/7seas/F124_with_SPY.htm
AD what efforts has Australia taken to set up an indigenous defence industry? Because apart from ship building there are about several items that you provided in your list that Im pretty sure Australia could manufacture locally be it with a ToT e.g. infantry weapons, ATGMs, utility vehicles, trucks etc. Australia to me does seem to have the resources to set up a light defence manufacturing sector at the very least.
Australia in the past has manufactured it's own tanks, anti-tank missiles. we have a shipbuilding industry that has built vessels up to 25k tonnes. At one stage we had more aircraft manufacturers than car manufacturers (5 aircraft and 4 car)joker said:
The govt has more or less by their purchasing processes not made it viable for Australian technologies to be used (as the buying mass and leverage is not there).
We have built armoured cars for the Kuwaiti Defence Force (I was on the project)
Basically we have a latent capability, eg, if we go to war and need to produce locally we can gear up relatively quickly.
Australia tends to focus on the electronic warfare, phased array systems, radar, sonar, acoustic, noise and vibration technologies. We also don't advertise that much on who our private companies sell military equipment to.
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Referring to Project Wedgetail: an Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) system based on its Next-Generation 737-700 aircraft as the airborne platform. The first aircraft is indeed planned to be in service in late 2006.
http://www.boeing.com.au/DIVKnowledgeSystems/KSDaewc.htm
http://www.boeing.com.au/DIVKnowledgeSystems/KSDaewc.htm
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Joker, Australia manufactures (under licence) all of it's small arms and light machine guns and all of our ammunition requirements except for specialised ammunition such as the Artillery's "Copperhead" round. We currently produce our own 105mm tank ammunition for our leopard tanks, but apparently we won't be producing 120mm rounds for our new tank. All of our navies current warships have been built in Australia with the exception of the first 2 FFG frigates (which are about to be retired) and the LPA's (which did however undergo massive re-building in Australia). We are also manufacturing a new armoured vehicle for the Australian Army and Air Force, the "Bushmaster" Infantry Mobility Vehicle. We also manufacture turrets for the LAV-25 series of vehicles and are currently undertaking a large upgrade program on our M113 family of vehicles. We do have a fairly advanced defence industry in our country, which is however mainly designed to support the Australian Defence Force. We don't export very much of our defence products. Cheers.
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For the Aussies, a nice side-by side comparison of USN Arleigh Burke class (9,033 tn full load - Flight 2A) and Spanish F100 class (5,800 tn full load). For ships with such a difference in full load displacement, they look remarkably similar, not just in design by also in size.
IIRC the F-100 was originally based on the Gibbs and Cox International design, so those ships are actually "cousins" 
I was always partial to the Kongos. But, on issues of structural stealth being sympathetic towards electronic enhancement, I'd bet on the Horizon or LCF.
For personal taste, I prefer the Burke 2 or Izars iteration.
At the right price, I'd buy any of them.
For personal taste, I prefer the Burke 2 or Izars iteration.
At the right price, I'd buy any of them.
Kongo + Aegis = Yespezfez said:
Brits are using PAAMS