AntiGravity Tech in B2

[Firehorse]

What do you guys think of this?
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Ether-Technology-Rational-Approach-Gravity-Control/dp/0932813348"]Amazon.com: Ether-Technology: A Rational Approach to Gravity Control: Rho Sigma, Edgar Mitchell: Books[/ame]

Full text here-
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4635896/R...-A-Rational-Approach-to-Gravity-Control-108pp

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Electrogravitics-Systems-Reports-Propulsion-Methodology/dp/0964107007/ref=pd_sim_b_3/002-3579110-9486433"]Amazon.com: Electrogravitics Systems: Reports on a New Propulsion Methodology: Thomas Valone: Books[/ame]


The new technology, current and future, may turn out to be very old!

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[JohanGrön]

What do you guys think of this?
Amazon.com: Ether-Technology: A Rational Approach to Gravity Control: Rho Sigma, Edgar Mitchell: Books

Full text here-
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4635896/R...-A-Rational-Approach-to-Gravity-Control-108pp

Amazon.com: Electrogravitics Systems: Reports on a New Propulsion Methodology: Thomas Valone: Books


The new technology, current and future, may turn out to be very old!

Secrets of the Vimana
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/vimana.html

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0807/closeencounters6.html

Utter bs, come on! Mr gravity still rules! I'll bet there's no antigravity tech in the B2 ...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9hb-OutGAY"]Andersen AFB, Guam[/ame]

 

[thorpete1]

B-2

It is extremely unlikely that the B-2 and F-117 have Antigravity. Most stuff i have seen imply that electricity is somewaht involved. THis thows the whole thing out as it means someone has discoverd a unfying theory. Einstein couldn't even find it and he spent from relativity to his death trying to find.

It would also imply massless propolsion. Considering they havn't even finished the Large Haedron Collider (LHC), which they hope will help them find the Higgs boson, the theorised subnuclear particle that gives mass, its unlike this exists. Massless propolsion also throws out newtonian physics and conservation of momentum and conservation of energy.

Sorry but ag for the B-2 is a consipiracy theory to explain away its abilities and cost. The reasons for its abilities have already been stated in this thread, its a high flying subsonic aircraft with a low drag flying wing. A flying wing also has more volume for fuel and is very unstable, thus making it slightly more agile then you average comparable bomber.

I however have heard comments on the B-2 utillising some sort of electromagnetic field around it to further increase its LO properties. This make much more sense as it can be don with wire and electricity, and that RF waves are going to interact in some way with such an electromagnetic field. How much truth is in this is unkown but every conspiracy theory has a root in some sort of pervertd fact.

As for the cost, the B-2 was a land mark program to create not just hte world first purpose built stealth bomber, but also to do proper non ad-hoc testing of stealth technologies and design and research a whole host of technologies that would be used by the US military for decades into the future. The B-2 wasn't just a program to build a strategic bomber, it was a program to design test and construct a new set of strategic technologies that would put the US in front in aircraft for decades. This is my best way of explaining hte B-2's cost and abilities

Just on a side note, 45 billion US dollars was spent on the B-2 program, a second theory for the huge expenditure above is that the program cost no where near as much and that the B-2 was used not only to build the B-2 but also to syphon funs into other black programs. Whats the best way of funding a black program, put the money through another program. If that program so happens to also be black, then there is double the protection. Just a thought thou, unkown if fact or just fiction.

Cheers

 

[thedarklingthru]

I know it seems far-fetched but we have known about this effect(so called anti-gravity) since 1923. It is called the Biefeld-Brown Effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld-Brown_effect

Its the same principal those funny little flying saucers the airforce produced were based on.

Here is a definition and the AF report it came from. Anyway to tell if this is a real declassified AF report? Here is the quote and the site

edit: actually the AF didn't write the report but rather had it commissioned

Electrogravitics might be described as a synthesis of electrostatic energy used for propulsion - either vertical propulsion or horizontal or both - and gravitics, or dynamic counterbary, in which energy is also used to set up a local gravitational force independent of the earth's.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/secret_projects/project080.htm

This is what people are talking about when they say the B2 has 'anti gravity' technology.

 

[thedarklingthru]

I know it seems far-fetched but we have known about this effect(so called anti-gravity) since 1923. It is called the Biefeld-Brown Effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld-Brown_effect

Its the same principal those funny little flying saucers the airforce produced were based on.

Here is a definition and the AF report it came from. Anyway to tell if this is a real declassified AF report? Here is the quote and the site

Electrogravitics might be described as a synthesis of electrostatic energy used for propulsion - either vertical propulsion or horizontal or both - and gravitics, or dynamic counterbary, in which energy is also used to set up a local gravitational force independent of the earth's.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/secret_projects/project080.htm

This is what people are talking about when they say the B2 has 'anti gravity' technology.

 

[kato]

*bangs head on table*

There is no "Biefeld-Brown effect". But if you're wondering, the "effect" is what the article in the OP of this thread was talking about.

 

[thedarklingthru]

The effect certainly does exist. I think you would have a hard time disputing that. Here is a description of how and why it works.

http://www.montalk.net/science/84/the-biefeld-brown-effect

It definitely shouldn't be called anti-gravity if that makes you happy.

Whether or not the B2 bomber is designed to exploit the effect is anyone's guess.

The effect wouldn't take much power or equipment to produce. The electric fields could be generated on the front surface of the wings(+) and in the rocket exhaust(-). Just flying the plane would do most of the work.

Even if the leading edge of the wing was charged to several million volts and they match the charge on the exhaust something like 10-20% "weight reduction" would occur. It isn't weight reduction though, the plane would be helped along due the nature of the gravity fields generated by the respective positive and negative charges.

I also want to refer you to the March 1992 Issue of this magazine http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/ that published an article confirming that the leading edge of the wing of the B2 was highly positively charged during flight and that the exhaust was made to produce an equal negative charge. If you read the article (I found it at my local library a few years ago). It does not mention the technology in any sort of anti-gravity context, and was the first place I heard the word electrogravitics.

 

[Gremlin29]

Aircraft create tremendous amounts of static electricity by virtue of friction, that's why so many aircraft are equipped with static dissipators. The most visible type are the whiskers found on the trailing edge of the C-130 and numerous passenger jets. We are talking static dissipation, not magnetic propulsion and some UFO cooks are trying to turn a common and well known aviation process into something it's not.

The Biefield-Brown affect is very well known, and proven to not be of any practical use for propulsion due the vast amounts of power required. If the gubment is hiding something, billions have been wasted on maglev technology.

 

[kato]

The Biefield-Brown affect is very well known, and proven to not be of any practical use for propulsion

The "propulsion" by the Biefeld-Brown effect has not been proven in a vacuum environment, and is attributed by credible scientists as a "bleed-off" of ion wind between capacitator planes, along the lines of downwash created in the air by ion wind, or air being pulled along.

 

[Gremlin29]

The "propulsion" by the Biefeld-Brown effect has not been proven in a vacuum environment, and is attributed by credible scientists as a "bleed-off" of ion wind between capacitator planes, along the lines of downwash created in the air by ion wind, or air being pulled along.

I'm not knowledgable enough to debate whether or not the effect is what it is, I'm only pointing out that it is not practical for use.

 

[holoman]

seriously doubt anti matter / anti gravity in B2.

the equipment to manufacture and even store anti matter
is heavy.

I can create anti matter and I have designed a gravity
repulsion space craft using my patent pending tek.

sorry nothing will be published not even the patent.

 

[Zaphael]

I saw this on youtube with regards to anti-gravity technology, not sure how valid this is.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xnh5Nd4DzM"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]

Didn't quite catch the link between diamagnetism and the superfluids though. However, I think the point was about rotating "ferro" superfluids around a container of some sort, by using a gravito magnet.

I'm not a physics major, so I really didn't quite catch what was going on in the video... Anyone better qualified to explain this?

 

[Falstaff]

create anti matter and I have designed a gravity
repulsion space craft using my patent pending tek.

sorry nothing will be published not even the patent.

Lousy achievement, if you ask me. If you were able to produce negative matter, that would be a whopper for sure

I saw this on youtube with regards to anti-gravity technology, not sure how valid this is.

Didn't quite catch the link between diamagnetism and the superfluids though. However, I think the point was about rotating "ferro" superfluids around a container of some sort, by using a gravito magnet.

I'm not a physics major, so I really didn't quite catch what was going on in the video... Anyone better qualified to explain this?

The same stuff as with all the other conspiracy vids out there... some basic scientific facts in order to make the thing look reputable, and then a bunch of rubble. Everybody who's a littlebit educated in physics can tell this video is produced by somebody who fished bits and pieces from the internet and put them together to conveniently support his agenda.
Apart from that what I like most about these people is that they get even basic facts wrong. E.g. that a anti-gravity device does not change the fact that objects have mass. Weight and mass are not the same thing. So sorry, no indefinite g maneuverability, no giant acceleration, no huge boost in range.

Now please excuse me, I have to take my "Haunebu-Reichsflugscheibe" and go to New Swabia, where the entry to the 4th Reich inside the hollow earth is- we have a big Thule-society meeting. We're teaming up with the men in black to fake a landing on the Mars.

 

[Firn]

Now please excuse me, I have to take my "Haunebu-Reichsflugscheibe" and go to New Swabia, where the entry to the 4th Reich inside the hollow earth is- we have a big Thule-society meeting. We're teaming up with the men in black to fake a landing on the Mars.

Argh you let the secret of our wormhole, created by a gravitational singularity rippeling flucuations through our spacetime, caused by the vibration of the strings which in turn might just explain why the nonperturbative dualities existing through the 11-dimensional limit in Calabi-Yau manifold result in a supersymmetric disposition of our spinning particles belonging to the Leptons, Gauge bosons and Quarks which where discovered and organized with the invaluable help of our standard model, leading your new-swabian Haunebu-FRS to a brighter Thule-dominated future out.

To sum it up: No I don't think there is a secretive ant-gravitational technology in the B-2. Sadly most people are too uneducated even in simple and elementary physics to see through senseless pseudo-scientific brabble and squabble.

 

[mutagen]

Hi, my first post. Coast to Coast AM is discussing this subject tonight. I Found this on Google:

Obama administration to promote antigravity technology

Honolulu Exopolitics Examiner: Obama administration first 100 days to promote antigravity technology.

Obama’s National Security Advisor, retired Marine General James Jones, will feature prominently in the releases of antigravity technologies and associated initiatives.

Classified antigravity technologies have been kept from the public realm for over six decades while secretly developed by military-corporate entities. It was revealed in 1992, for example, that the B-2 Bomber used electrostatic charges on its leading wings and exhaust. According to aerospace experts, this was confirmation that the B-2 used electrogravitic principles based on the Biefeld-Brown Effect. The Biefeld-Brown Effect is based on the research of Thomas Townsend Brown who in 1928 gained a patent for his practical application of how high voltage electrostatic charges can reduce the weight of objects.

The B-2 bomber employs sufficiently high voltages to significantly reduce its weight. This enables the B-2 and other classified antigravity vehicles to display flight characteristics that appear to defy conventional laws of physics.

January 20th, 2009 in Breaking News, Technology, World Alerts

 

[Palnatoke]

Sounds like complete B&S.

To me the Biefeld-Brown effect, attributed to some sort of alternation of space-time, sounds like utter bullocks.

Now electrostatically there might be an effect, but then it's not "anti gravity".

 

[Gremlin29]

The Biefeld-Brown Effect is based on the research of Thomas Townsend Brown who in 1928 gained a patent for his practical application of how high voltage electrostatic charges can reduce the weight of objects.

Having been patented for 81 years, you would think that this "effect" would be in "practical" use in all sorts of industry but it's not.

This enables the B-2 and other classified antigravity vehicles to display flight characteristics that appear to defy conventional laws of physics.

Does anybody think/know of the B-2 performing in a way that defies conventional laws of physics? If the Biefield-Brown Effect was contributing to the B-2 defying laws of physics, shouldn't it be doing something cool like VTOL??

 

[Falstaff]

Hi, my first post. Coast to Coast AM is discussing this subject tonight. I Found this on Google:

Obama administration to promote antigravity technology

Honolulu Exopolitics Examiner: Obama administration first 100 days to promote antigravity technology.

Obama’s National Security Advisor, retired Marine General James Jones, will feature prominently in the releases of antigravity technologies and associated initiatives.

Classified antigravity technologies have been kept from the public realm for over six decades while secretly developed by military-corporate entities. It was revealed in 1992, for example, that the B-2 Bomber used electrostatic charges on its leading wings and exhaust. According to aerospace experts, this was confirmation that the B-2 used electrogravitic principles based on the Biefeld-Brown Effect. The Biefeld-Brown Effect is based on the research of Thomas Townsend Brown who in 1928 gained a patent for his practical application of how high voltage electrostatic charges can reduce the weight of objects.

The B-2 bomber employs sufficiently high voltages to significantly reduce its weight. This enables the B-2 and other classified antigravity vehicles to display flight characteristics that appear to defy conventional laws of physics.

January 20th, 2009 in Breaking News, Technology, World Alerts

You don't have to believe every BS that's on the internet. Again mixing up facts and fiction.
kato described pretty well what the so called "Biefeld-Brown Effect" really is and having said that this effect is too weak to have any significant influence on lift or propulsion power.
Besides that if the news were true I wonder why would the B-2 need to be such a huge flying wing? And the footage I have seen of the B-2 flying wasn't exactly implying it is defying the laws of conventional physics.

There's all kinds of weirdos out there who "want to believe". The internet surely helps to promote wacky ideas among people that have no related knowledge but somehow believe so desperately that anyone who argues in an educated manner must be part in some kind of conspiracy.
I remember having a discussion with a guy (genius chiropractor, but totally nuts) who really believed that the Nazis built "Reichsflugscheiben" with so called Thule-generators and tachyon-converters and so on and so on. He pointed me to some sources with "proof". And when I saw those poorly made up "technical documentations" I almost fell apart. There even was a plumber who said he had a dream of how it all worked and tried to find people who'd want to build his antigravity drive together with him.
And I said to him, look, I'm an engineer and I can tell you this is clearly fake and it's poorly made he was very angry at me and told me that I was a government propaganda victim. That's the way these people think.
Ever tried to discuss with a religious fanatic? It's the same thing.

Now please excuse me I've got to go out watch chemtrails. Our government is trying to kill us all once again.

 

[thorpete1]

B-2

First of all, i think it has been definitively proven that B-2's don't have anti-gravity because the pilots would have turned it on to lower the impact or try and help them more easily recover the B-2 that crashed, before it crashed.

The B-2 program wasn't just about building a strategic bomber, it was about creating a set of technologies that have arguably set up the US's military aircraft programs for the coming decades. Every new piloted and non-piloted aircraft coming out of the US has some roots in the B-2 program, whether it is leveraging of the B-2's advance's in LO technologies (The F-117 while revolutionary was a stop gap, its the airplane Frankenstein), Computer systems, avionics, software or the aircrafts extensive use of new alloys and composites (which coincidentally make it very light, also dispelling anti-gravity reasons on B-2). As such the B-2 programs costs are perfectly justifiable for the rewards they reaped.

Cheers

 

[gf0012-aust]

The B-2 program wasn't just about building a strategic bomber, it was about creating a set of technologies that have arguably set up the US's military aircraft programs for the coming decades. Every new piloted and non-piloted aircraft coming out of the US has some roots in the B-2 program, whether it is leveraging of the B-2's advance's in LO technologies (The F-117 while revolutionary was a stop gap, its the airplane Frankenstein)

Not every new aircraft manned or unmanned coming out of the US has its roots in B2 for LO solutions.

Every volume LO solution to date (manned and unmanned) has been of a different development generation. The F-117 was completely different, it was based on faceted deflection. It was also NOT a stopgap. It was built out of 6 different aircraft because the timeframe to field it and the need to hide the intent meant that Ben Rich and co used as many available parts as possible to reduce the development and release times after the success of the "Have nn" and "Tacit nn" programs. The B2 LO solution has got nothing to do with that.

The B2 actually provided solutions to the Boeing 767, so some of its solutions are now "public" domain albeit not common knowledge.