well wat do u think it is? a BMP?
Al-khalid Vs T-90.
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yutong chen
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T-90 have no armor, so it can't be counted as tank
So wat do we call it then? A light or medium tank?
T-90 gun-missile tank came a couple of years into the 1990s and it is far more better then Al -Kahlid and is a better version of troublesome T-80 (engine). The gun tube can be replaced without dismantling inside the turret.
1) The gun can fire anti-tank guided missiles.
2) Ballistic computer and DVE-BS wind gauge and day/night sight which has identification ranges of 800 m during the day and 700 m at night.
3) The tank is protected by both conventional armour-plating and explosive reactive armour,
4) Has equipment for mine-clearing and NBC protection.
5) The T-90 is provided with infrared jammer, laser equipment etc.
I think it defensive measures is quite good as it blocks infrared equipments and also can fire , fire and forget type 4th generation antitank missile with tandom warhead which can precise any tank armor in the world even the al -Khalid's and also it is equiped with best armour which can take upto 2 direct hit at same place.
With that much of firepower in a machinie and so much of defensive i think it is the best Tank
1) The gun can fire anti-tank guided missiles.
2) Ballistic computer and DVE-BS wind gauge and day/night sight which has identification ranges of 800 m during the day and 700 m at night.
3) The tank is protected by both conventional armour-plating and explosive reactive armour,
4) Has equipment for mine-clearing and NBC protection.
5) The T-90 is provided with infrared jammer, laser equipment etc.
I think it defensive measures is quite good as it blocks infrared equipments and also can fire , fire and forget type 4th generation antitank missile with tandom warhead which can precise any tank armor in the world even the al -Khalid's and also it is equiped with best armour which can take upto 2 direct hit at same place.
With that much of firepower in a machinie and so much of defensive i think it is the best Tank
Oqaab! the Al Khalid also has an Abraams type warning reciever who's sensors can pick up a laser ping any where on the hull,thereby alerting the crew to prepare for countermeasures.Also the army may fit infrared jammers on to these tanks in the near future.About the laser warning reciever,I wonder if the T90 has something like that.Would any body care to shed some light on this? :helpOqaab said:
'The T-90 is equiped with the TShU-1-7 Shtora-1 optronic counter measures system which is designed to disrupt the laser target designation and rangefinders of incoming ATGM. The T-90 is also equipped with a laser warning package that warns the tank crew when it is being lased. Shtora-1 is an electro-optical jammer that jams the enemy’s semiautomatic command to line of sight (SACLOS) antitank guided missiles, laser rangefinders and target designators. Shtora-1 is actually a soft kill, or countermeasures system.
It is most effective when used in tandem with a hard kill system such as the Arena.
The Shtora-1 system comprises four key components, the electro-optical interface station, which includes a jammer, modulator, and control panel; a bank of forward-firing grenade dischargers mounted on either side of the turret that are capable of firing grenades dispensing an aerosol screen; a laser warning system with precision and coarse heads; and a control system comprising control panel, microprocessor, and manual screen-laying panel. This processes the information from the sensors and activates the aerosol screen-laying system. Two infrared lights, one on each side of the main gun, continuously emit coded pulsed infrared jamming when an incoming ATGM has been detected. Shtora-1 has a field of view of 360-degrees horizontally and -5 to +25-degrees in elevation. It contains 12 aerosol screen launchers and weighs 400kg. The screening aerosol takes less than 3 seconds to form and lasts about 20 seconds. The screen laying range is between 50-70 meters.'
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It is most effective when used in tandem with a hard kill system such as the Arena.
The Shtora-1 system comprises four key components, the electro-optical interface station, which includes a jammer, modulator, and control panel; a bank of forward-firing grenade dischargers mounted on either side of the turret that are capable of firing grenades dispensing an aerosol screen; a laser warning system with precision and coarse heads; and a control system comprising control panel, microprocessor, and manual screen-laying panel. This processes the information from the sensors and activates the aerosol screen-laying system. Two infrared lights, one on each side of the main gun, continuously emit coded pulsed infrared jamming when an incoming ATGM has been detected. Shtora-1 has a field of view of 360-degrees horizontally and -5 to +25-degrees in elevation. It contains 12 aerosol screen launchers and weighs 400kg. The screening aerosol takes less than 3 seconds to form and lasts about 20 seconds. The screen laying range is between 50-70 meters.'
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My dear friend Strenth of Armor is not measured from its thinkckness. One is best example of Pattern tank of Pakistan, Most thick armor at that time and failed in from of rockets.AnonymousDoe said:
In this Gulf WAR 2, no anti tank missile able to penerate British tank armor, but it done well againt American.
British is the best tank maker of armor in the wrold.
Moreoevr i dont wanna tell you that T90 is equipped with Infrared Jammers , SAMs, and also can fire 4th generation Anti Tank missiles beside tandom warheads.
In trials in russia shows that T90 can take 2 direct hit at the same point.
Update: Turkey has offered to improve the capabilities of the Al Khalid
Turkish officials said Pakistan has offered Ankara's military industry to contribute to the Khaled tank with Western technology. The officials said the offer was detailed in recent talks between Pakistani defense officials and visiting Turkish Deputy Chief of Staff Gen. Ilker Basbug.
Under the offer, Pakistan and Turkey would jointly produce the Khaled for marketing in the Middle East and other areas. Pakistan's Heavy Industries Taxila would continue to produce the armor and assemble the tank while Turkish industries would develop and install night-vision and other sensors for the tank.
The Pakistani offer was meant to increase the attractiveness of the Khaled. Limited production of the Khaled began in 2000 and Pakistan has been unable to complete any deal with a foreign military.
Turkish officials said Pakistan has offered Ankara's military industry to contribute to the Khaled tank with Western technology. The officials said the offer was detailed in recent talks between Pakistani defense officials and visiting Turkish Deputy Chief of Staff Gen. Ilker Basbug.
Under the offer, Pakistan and Turkey would jointly produce the Khaled for marketing in the Middle East and other areas. Pakistan's Heavy Industries Taxila would continue to produce the armor and assemble the tank while Turkish industries would develop and install night-vision and other sensors for the tank.
The Pakistani offer was meant to increase the attractiveness of the Khaled. Limited production of the Khaled began in 2000 and Pakistan has been unable to complete any deal with a foreign military.
The problem with the T90 stems back to its heritage:
Granted it uses the latest version of the 125mm (which is still derived from the T-62, T-72 series), so it will also fire the AT-11 Sniper-B ATGM.
At 50 metric tonnes it is a good 20 tons lighter than the latest western tanks so in spite of all its extra kit, it's still too lightly armoured to cop a hit from a western MBT. The gun will have trouble penetrating the armour of a western tank from longer ranges.
The T72/80/90 series has decent armour for its initial design brief, but the ammunition is stored in a carousel in the hull below the turret. There is substantial combat experience that shows that penetrating hits (including RPGs) tend to hit the ammunition, which results in a catastrophic explosion that kills the crew.
In 1982 the Syrian T-72s suprised everyone by getting destroyed by 105mm rounds fired by Merkavas and M60s. Iraqi T-72s fared even worse against the Coalition 120mm guns in both '91 and '03. Russian Army T-72s and T-80s were destroyed by Chechens armed with RPG's in Grozny, so I think that vulnerability is not restricted to export models. (which the T-90s is) . Some of the Grozny kills were RPG 7's and not the latter '22's.
The Russian fascination with active armour (ERA) defences on this latest tank is an attempt to make up for the original armour deficiency.
It will be interesting to see how it would stack up against an Al-Khalid in combat as the design briefs are very dissimilar.
Granted it uses the latest version of the 125mm (which is still derived from the T-62, T-72 series), so it will also fire the AT-11 Sniper-B ATGM.
At 50 metric tonnes it is a good 20 tons lighter than the latest western tanks so in spite of all its extra kit, it's still too lightly armoured to cop a hit from a western MBT. The gun will have trouble penetrating the armour of a western tank from longer ranges.
The T72/80/90 series has decent armour for its initial design brief, but the ammunition is stored in a carousel in the hull below the turret. There is substantial combat experience that shows that penetrating hits (including RPGs) tend to hit the ammunition, which results in a catastrophic explosion that kills the crew.
In 1982 the Syrian T-72s suprised everyone by getting destroyed by 105mm rounds fired by Merkavas and M60s. Iraqi T-72s fared even worse against the Coalition 120mm guns in both '91 and '03. Russian Army T-72s and T-80s were destroyed by Chechens armed with RPG's in Grozny, so I think that vulnerability is not restricted to export models. (which the T-90s is) . Some of the Grozny kills were RPG 7's and not the latter '22's.
The Russian fascination with active armour (ERA) defences on this latest tank is an attempt to make up for the original armour deficiency.
It will be interesting to see how it would stack up against an Al-Khalid in combat as the design briefs are very dissimilar.
dabrownguy
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I'm gonna say this, If I was riding in a AK I would go up against a t-80up or whatever they call it but not a T-90. T-90 has way toooo many shite you don't wanna fcuk with!
elkaboingo
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i've got a way to get around teh laser warning system. lets go back to the old way of find the range to a target. take a ruler and measure the size of the target on the screen and compare it to a chart. 
greatindian
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T-90S specifications mentioned is incorrect and incomplete. Here are the actual specifications
The T-90S is the latest development in the T-series of Russian tanks and represents an increase in firepower, mobility and protection. It is manufactured by Nizhnyi Tagil of the Russian Federation.
The T-90S is in service with the Russian Army and has been selected by the Indian Army, with a requirement for 250 vehicles. Three T-90S are undergoing trials in the Indian desert.
ARMAMENT
The T-90S armament includes one 125 mm 2A46M smoothbore gun, stabilised in two axes and fitted with a thermal sleeve. The gun tube can be replaced without dismantling inside the turret. The gun can fire a variety of ammunition including APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank), HE-FRAG (High Explosive Fragmentation) as well as shrapnel projectiles with time fuzes.
The T-90S gun can also fire the 9M119 Refleks (NATO designation AT-11 Sniper) anti-tank guided missile system. The range of the missile is 100 - 4,000 m and takes 11.7 sec to reach maximum range. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 5 km. The missile system fires either the 9M119 or 9M119M missiles which have semi-automatic laser beamriding guidance and a hollow charge warhead. Missile weight is 23.4 kg. The guns automatic loader will feed both ordnance and missiles.
Also fitted is a coaxial 7.62 mm PKT machine gun and a 12.7 mm air defence machine gun. A 5.45 mm AKS-74 assault rifle is carried on a storage rack.
SELF-PROTECTION
The T-90 tank is protected by both conventional armour-plating and explosive reactive armour (ERA).
The T-90 is fitted with the Shtora-1 defensive aids suite which is produced by Electronintorg of Russia. This system includes infrared jammer, laser warning system with four laser warning receivers, grenade discharging system which produces an aerosol screen and a computerised control system.
It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment.
FIRE CONTROL AND OBSERVATION
The T-90S has the 1A4GT integrated fire control system (IFCS) which is automatic but with manual override for the commander. The IFCS contains the gunner's 1A43 day fire control system, gunner's TO1-KO1 thermal imaging sight which has a target identification range of 1.2 km to 1.5 km and commander's PNK-S sight.
The gunner's 1A43 day FCS comprises: 1G46 day sight/rangefinder with missile guidance channel, 2E42-4 armament stabiliser, 1V528 ballistic computer and DVE-BS wind gauge.
The commander's PNK-4S sight includes a TKN-4S (Agat-S) day/night sight which has identification ranges of 800 m (day) and 700 m (night).
The driver is equipped with a TVN-5 infrared night viewer.
PROPULSION
The T-90S has a liquid-cooled V-84MS 618 kW (840 hp) four-stroke V-12 piston engine. This engine can be fuelled by T-2 or TS-1 kerosene and A-72 benzine, in addition to diesel. The tank can carry up to 1,600 litres of fuel in the main fuel tanks and fuel drums. The fuel tanks are reinforced with armour plating.
The tank is provided with a snorkel for deep fording and can ford 5 metres of water with equipment which can be deployed in 20 minutes.
The mechanical transmission includes primary reduction gear, two planetary final gearboxes and two planetary final drives. The running gear features torsion bar suspension with hydraulic shock absorbers at 1, 2 and 6 road wheel stations and tracks with rubber-metallic pin hinges.
As seen above the T-90S is the most sophisticated and the modern tank that India has and it has the capability to fight its worth. Also some Indo-Pak comparison given by Janes in the following ppt.
http://4.21.114.228/srt/sub/presentations/12_Jones.ppt
East or West India is the best
The T-90S is the latest development in the T-series of Russian tanks and represents an increase in firepower, mobility and protection. It is manufactured by Nizhnyi Tagil of the Russian Federation.
The T-90S is in service with the Russian Army and has been selected by the Indian Army, with a requirement for 250 vehicles. Three T-90S are undergoing trials in the Indian desert.
ARMAMENT
The T-90S armament includes one 125 mm 2A46M smoothbore gun, stabilised in two axes and fitted with a thermal sleeve. The gun tube can be replaced without dismantling inside the turret. The gun can fire a variety of ammunition including APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank), HE-FRAG (High Explosive Fragmentation) as well as shrapnel projectiles with time fuzes.
The T-90S gun can also fire the 9M119 Refleks (NATO designation AT-11 Sniper) anti-tank guided missile system. The range of the missile is 100 - 4,000 m and takes 11.7 sec to reach maximum range. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 5 km. The missile system fires either the 9M119 or 9M119M missiles which have semi-automatic laser beamriding guidance and a hollow charge warhead. Missile weight is 23.4 kg. The guns automatic loader will feed both ordnance and missiles.
Also fitted is a coaxial 7.62 mm PKT machine gun and a 12.7 mm air defence machine gun. A 5.45 mm AKS-74 assault rifle is carried on a storage rack.
SELF-PROTECTION
The T-90 tank is protected by both conventional armour-plating and explosive reactive armour (ERA).
The T-90 is fitted with the Shtora-1 defensive aids suite which is produced by Electronintorg of Russia. This system includes infrared jammer, laser warning system with four laser warning receivers, grenade discharging system which produces an aerosol screen and a computerised control system.
It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment.
FIRE CONTROL AND OBSERVATION
The T-90S has the 1A4GT integrated fire control system (IFCS) which is automatic but with manual override for the commander. The IFCS contains the gunner's 1A43 day fire control system, gunner's TO1-KO1 thermal imaging sight which has a target identification range of 1.2 km to 1.5 km and commander's PNK-S sight.
The gunner's 1A43 day FCS comprises: 1G46 day sight/rangefinder with missile guidance channel, 2E42-4 armament stabiliser, 1V528 ballistic computer and DVE-BS wind gauge.
The commander's PNK-4S sight includes a TKN-4S (Agat-S) day/night sight which has identification ranges of 800 m (day) and 700 m (night).
The driver is equipped with a TVN-5 infrared night viewer.
PROPULSION
The T-90S has a liquid-cooled V-84MS 618 kW (840 hp) four-stroke V-12 piston engine. This engine can be fuelled by T-2 or TS-1 kerosene and A-72 benzine, in addition to diesel. The tank can carry up to 1,600 litres of fuel in the main fuel tanks and fuel drums. The fuel tanks are reinforced with armour plating.
The tank is provided with a snorkel for deep fording and can ford 5 metres of water with equipment which can be deployed in 20 minutes.
The mechanical transmission includes primary reduction gear, two planetary final gearboxes and two planetary final drives. The running gear features torsion bar suspension with hydraulic shock absorbers at 1, 2 and 6 road wheel stations and tracks with rubber-metallic pin hinges.
As seen above the T-90S is the most sophisticated and the modern tank that India has and it has the capability to fight its worth. Also some Indo-Pak comparison given by Janes in the following ppt.
http://4.21.114.228/srt/sub/presentations/12_Jones.ppt
East or West India is the best
yutong chen
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Did you know chinese 125mm smooth bore gun is indigenously built, the only thing in common is the auto-loader.
elkaboingo
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you said APDS which is armour piercing discarding sabot, you left out the fin-stabilised
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