Air Defense for Armored Formations

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DoC_FouALieR

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would it be feasiable to build fake radar transmitters that send also the signal of lock on and acompany these with fake SAM rockets?
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Serbian were using modified microwave hoven during the Kosovo war to deceive the coalition fighters..
 
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FutureTank

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wittmanace said:
i do have my reservations.... if the SAMs are jammed, it simply doesn’t matter how many there are....the cost and expenditure (life, equipment, ammunition, so forth) and with the pace of the conflict, it might degenerate into lower tech combat within a short period of time, with dumb bombs and AAA coming into use....in that scenario, saturation would be devastating...what forces would these include? The Chinese would do this if the high intensity conflict is survived, but against whom could this occur?
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I wholeheartedly agree with your thinking. The Soviet idea of AD was developed to conduct offensive operations, and their systems are more dynamic. This was never exported since it needs to be remembered that USSR's border with China was far longer then that with NATO.

However China's thinking is not so much military as it is political. Even a few US aircraft shot down will put doubts into American minds as to their effectiveness, and calls in the media for re-evaluation of tactics because there is always an expectation of 0 casualties by the US public.

What is MORE important is the need for China to illustrate US ineffectiveness if it comes to shooting. They recognize the threat being long range stand-off weapons and also that ultimately the best weapon against these weapons are nice solid 23mm rounds (or any caliber for that matter). With appropriate density of fire they conclude that regardless of the performance of the PLAAF or its missile AD forces, shooting a Tomahawk full of lead is just as effective (if crude) as investing vast amounts of money into Anti-Missile Systems technology. After all, they too have seen Star Wars the movie, and they know there is only one 'Luke' in the USAF :)

For this reason China retains AD divisions and Corps just as Soviet Union did, and Russia still does, but many are armed with nothing more then guns in the 23mm, 37mm and 57mm calibers designed to fire on visible targets, missile weapon radar tracking provision in such large numbers beyond China's production capability. The point is that Chinese never forgot effectiveness of these weapons in Vietnam.

This frees SAM batteries to engage those pesky unguided ordinance carriers which are still required to achieve relative proximity to their targets.

This is highly unpublicized because of the stress placed on hi-tech capabilities, largely to protect USAF own investments. If the Senate Armed Services Committee realized that the multi-billion dollar projects and ordinance contracts could be defeated by annual production of cheap ZU-23-2s at Factory number 10 using convict labor (and costing maybe US$250.00), they may not be so happy to approve them, thereby lowering share prices of many prominent US defence industry companies.
 
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Aussie Digger

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jamesteo320 said:
What I mean is man-portable air defense system is suitable for infantry travelling

on foot. The stinger , Igla or starstreak.
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Probably not the Starstreak since to the best of my knowledge it is only employed from 13 ton armoured vehicles...

From Stinger or Igla? I think Stinger probably has the better reputation thanks to it's combat record.
 
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Waylander

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Not in a reasonable way. Were would you put it on? Onto the backplate with a totally exposed guy in his seat which is also restricting the firing of the turret and making the vehicles silouette bigger.
 
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