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iambuzzard

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It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

7news.com.au

Senior ADF officer charged over lucrative WA naval contracts

A retired senior naval figure is facing a secret military disciplinary process over unspecified allegations involving lucrative defence contracts in Western Australia.
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It's disappointing that this sort of thing is happening when our security is of paramount importance in the volatile world situation we're in.
Of course, the individual involved is innocent until proven guilty. That's how our law system is supposed to work. Other countries are not so even handed.
 
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old faithful

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iambuzzard said:
It's disappointing that this sort of thing is happening when our security is of paramount importance in the volatile world situation we're in.
Of course, the individual involved is innocent until proven guilty. That's how our law system is supposed to work. Other countries are not so even handed.
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Yeah right....just like BRS, I note that this alleged crimminal has had his identity suppressed though....roll eyes, one rule for ORs and one for the White shoed admiral....just like the Commander we had in Prison for child sex offences....
 
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iambuzzard said:
Sad news I just saw. HMAS Sydney helped sink the ex USS Mobile Bay that I had the pleasure of a private guided tour through several weeks after 9/11. She was a big impressive ship.
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By all accounts she took a beating before finally sinking.
 
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old faithful said:
Yeah right....just like BRS, I note that this alleged crimminal has had his identity suppressed though....roll eyes, one rule for ORs and one for the White shoed admiral....just like the Commander we had in Prison for child sex offences....
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The former Commander was named almost immediately, and was (from memory) tried in a civil court. The names of sailors tried by court martial, quite a number each year, are not published in the press. Why should an officer be singled out? What if he or she is found not guilty? No case to answer even? Their reputation trashed even so.

I have a problem with the names of alleged perpetrators of sexual crime having their names across the press before conviction for the same reason. They, too, may be found innocent, but again their reputation is trashed.

If convicted, sure, publish names. But not before.
 
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mickm

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Good morning everyone, I haven't heard much lately about our acquisition of the Mogami Class Frigates from Japan. I believe steel is supposed to be cut for the first ship this year for a completion date in 2029. Is this still on track or is it falling behind because time is marching on.

Is there any information on what the class will be called and any possible names for the ships.

I would like to see the first three built in Japan called, Vampire, Vendetta and Voyager
 
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spoz said:
The former Commander was named almost immediately, and was (from memory) tried in a civil court. The names of sailors tried by court martial, quite a number each year, are not published in the press. Why should an officer be singled out? What if he or she is found not guilty? No case to answer even? Their reputation trashed even so.

I have a problem with the names of alleged perpetrators of sexual crime having their names across the press before conviction for the same reason. They, too, may be found innocent, but again their reputation is trashed.

If convicted, sure, publish names. But not before.
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....and what has BRS been convicted of?
 
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Reptilia

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mickm said:
Good morning everyone, I haven't heard much lately about our acquisition of the Mogami Class Frigates from Japan. I believe steel is supposed to be cut for the first ship this year for a completion date in 2029. Is this still on track or is it falling behind because time is marching on.

Is there any information on what the class will be called and any possible names for the ships.

I would like to see the first three built in Japan called, Vampire, Vendetta and Voyager
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The first 2 upgraded Mogamis are already under construction for Japan. Australia gets 1 of the 3 that start construction in 2026.
Delivery of the 1st ship to RAN is due no later than December 2029. The last of the 3 ordered is expected to be in service by 2034 so one can assume we will have ships 1-3 delivered in 2029, 2031 and 2033 and in service 2030, 2032 and 2034.
Australian Mogami construction to begin in 2031, hopefully with a delivery date of around 2036 and then a 2 year drumbeat for each ship.
 
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iambuzzard

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Reptilia said:
The first 2 upgraded Mogamis are already under construction for Japan. Australia gets 1 of the 3 that start construction in 2026.
Delivery of the 1st ship to RAN is due no later than December 2029. The last of the 3 ordered is expected to be in service by 2034 so one can assume we will have ships 1-3 delivered in 2029, 2031 and 2033 and in service 2030, 2032 and 2034.
Australian Mogami construction to begin in 2031, hopefully with a delivery date of around 2036 and then a 2 year drumbeat for each ship.
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Is there any chance we could get up to the Japanese construction speed of three years? We're building a brand new facility so it should be capable of that speed.
 
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StevoJH

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iambuzzard said:
Is there any chance we could get up to the Japanese construction speed of three years? We're building a brand new facility so it should be capable of that speed.
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I mean, the issue is probably training the workforce rather than the construction facility.

You could build a duplicate of one of the big Japanese or Korean commercial yards, but without the skilled workers its not going to be able to build anything.....
 
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seaspear

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StevoJH said:
I mean, the issue is probably training the workforce rather than the construction facility.

You could build a duplicate of one of the big Japanese or Korean commercial yards, but without the skilled workers its not going to be able to build anything.....
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Will Mitsubishi in Australia oversee the build of the Mogami class
 
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SammyC

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I noted on the 730 report this evening that Senator Conroy stated that the rotational force west is a five year agreement. He went on to say he expected it come come to an end on completion. It's the first time I've seen a specific timeframe.

I compare with marine rotational force Darwin, which first comenced in 2011 and was then continually expanded. So its now been in place for 15 years.

I can't see America wanting to disband submarine squadron 3 after five years, and I would have thought that it remains in our interest for additional submarines to be colocated with ours from 2032.

I wonder how much of Conroy's statement is being cute about framing the arrangement as temporay and not an American basing, with an expectation that a future government would likely renew it.
 
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It seems likely to me that is largely around defusing issues in his own party. There was apparently quite a lot of noise around AUKUS in the recent Labor Party convention. Then there is the long held anti nuclear position and the left’s view of the US, I thought Conroy chose his words very carefully when he talked about choices of a future government; and when he talked about the boats coming and going (of course they do!). I, too, would be surprised if the USN side was planning on only a 5 year rotation given the resources being invested on both sides - and the recent comments about the strategic utility of the location.
 
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Stampede

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spoz said:
It seems likely to me that is largely around defusing issues in his own party. There was apparently quite a lot of noise around AUKUS in the recent Labor Party convention. Then there is the long held anti nuclear position and the left’s view of the US, I thought Conroy chose his words very carefully when he talked about choices of a future government; and when he talked about the boats coming and going (of course they do!). I, too, would be surprised if the USN side was planning on only a 5 year rotation given the resources being invested on both sides - and the recent comments about the strategic utility of the location.
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Yes!
Very difficult to believe that the US will supply Australia with three Virginia Class SSNs and not expect a long term commitment from us to permit them to have significant access to HMAS Stirling.
 
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iambuzzard

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SammyC said:
I noted on the 730 report this evening that Senator Conroy stated that the rotational force west is a five year agreement. He went on to say he expected it come come to an end on completion. It's the first time I've seen a specific timeframe.

I compare with marine rotational force Darwin, which first comenced in 2011 and was then continually expanded. So its now been in place for 15 years.

I can't see America wanting to disband submarine squadron 3 after five years, and I would have thought that it remains in our interest for additional submarines to be colocated with ours from 2032.

I wonder how much of Conroy's statement is being cute about framing the arrangement as temporay and not an American basing, with an expectation that a future government would likely renew it.
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I suspect it's an initial agreement somewhat like the $2 Million for US submarine steel. Keeping things apolitical, Senator Conroy seems to be across his portfolio and I don't think he's being cute about the matter.
Also, what's the expected arrival date of our first Virginia?
 
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iambuzzard

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Stampede said:
Yes!
Very difficult to believe that the US will supply Australia with three Virginia Class SSNs and not expect a long term commitment from us to permit them to have significant access to HMAS Stirling.
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Conroy is not stupid. Obviously he wants it to continue.
 
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Just to add a little bit to the discussion. 'US force posture cooperation in Australia, including SRF-West, takes place under the Force Posture Agreement. This recognises that access and use of Australian facilities and areas is on a rotational basis, as mutually determined and at the invitation of Australia, with full respect for Australian sovereignty.' https://www.asa.gov.au/news/new-supports-established-submarine-rotational-force On that basis I would suspect that the agreement much like the US-UK Mutual Defence Agreement that covers nuclear cooperation is reaffirmed on a regular basis. Then SRF-West and our cooperation with the US (and the UK) on matters relating to the submarine program will be somewhat of a rolling one.
 
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