Royal New Zealand Navy Discussions and Updates
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Australian budgets are put in place and the projects funded over a time frame. This helps to eliminate large investment one off payments.
NZ needs to do the same instead of coming to a crisis point and hitting a brick wall. Solution - Treasury, Major Political parties and defence force heads get involved and find a pathway forward.
NZ needs to do the same instead of coming to a crisis point and hitting a brick wall. Solution - Treasury, Major Political parties and defence force heads get involved and find a pathway forward.
The dominant IG band signals (~0.0025–0.033 Hz) have wavelengths of approximately 16 km, which are much longer than the 1 km wavelength typically found for ocean swell. https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2015GL065284Why? HMNZS Aotearoa does this already.
Ngati did an essay about Southern Ocean wave lengths which is why i said that The Wolf fits the breif.
Or, low cunning.Australian budgets are put in place and the projects funded over a time frame. This helps to eliminate large investment one off payments.
NZ needs to do the same instead of coming to a crisis point and hitting a brick wall. Solution - Treasury, Major Political parties and defence force heads get involved and find a pathway forward.
What has this got to do with unloading containers in antartica?The dominant IG band signals (~0.0025–0.033 Hz) have wavelengths of approximately 16 km, which are much longer than the 1 km wavelength typically found for ocean swell. https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2015GL065284
Ngati did an essay about Southern Ocean wave lengths which is why i said that The Wolf fits the breif.
You can't unload a container if the ship is sliding 5 metres back and forth every few minutes due to a wave you can barely see. Sure, commercial operators can wait for ideal conditions, but is it really desirable to maintain a category B Navy?What has this got to do with unloading containers in antartica?
SamB are talking about Sea State of the vessel or Polar class HMNZS Aotearoa is Polar Class 6 ?You can't unload a container if the ship is sliding 5 metres back and forth every few minutes due to a wave you can barely see. Sure, commercial operators can wait for ideal conditions, but is it really desirable to maintain a category B Navy?
Polar class 6 is perfect for an Asset of huge value to New Zealand like Aotearoa. A Polar Class 5 vessel will be a significant step up for RNZN and allow it to operate all year round, possibly. Correct me if I am wrong about the Polar ratings, but 5 is better than 6, correct?SamB are talking about Sea State of the vessel or Polar class HMNZS Aotearoa is Polar Class 6 ?
Polar 5 rating is for all year roundPolar class 6 is perfect for an Asset of huge value to New Zealand like Aotearoa. A Polar Class 5 vessel will be a significant step up for RNZN and allow it to operate all year round, possibly. Correct me if I am wrong about the Polar ratings, but 5 is better than 6, correct?
Firstly, and except for the addition of a dumb ship-to-shore capability, this has all been debated previously. But an SOPV upgraded for a category A Navy could open the door a little bit earlier and a little bit later for Aotearoa, which provides certainty, while the SOPV could perform things like ice rescue later on in the year. Last time NZDF had to perform an ice rescue, we sent a P-3 and had 6 P-3's. We only have 4 P-8's now and no B757. It's obvious, isn't it? Get a Wolf.Antarctic operations tend to only be during the Southern Summer AFAIK. The ice sheet is way too thick during the winter.
B757 is still current and getting replaced with more advanced aircraftFirstly, and except for the addition of a dumb ship-to-shore capability, this has all been debated previously. But an SOPV upgraded for a category A Navy could open the door a little bit earlier and a little bit later for Aotearoa, which provides certainty, while the SOPV could perform things like ice rescue later on in the year. Last time NZDF had to perform an ice rescue, we sent a P-3 and had 6 P-3's. We only have 4 P-8's now and no B757. It's obvious, isn't it? Get a Wolf.
But can you push life-saving equipment or provisions out of this " advanced aircraft " quote, unquote. DCP25 is expected to spend out to approximately 2040. I'm not a marine engineer, but can we expect the Protector OPVs to sail past 2040? They are going to have to be replaced, and there is going to have to be new spending for it. But if the idea is a declining category B Navy and NZDF in general, then it should be managed differently again.B757 is still current and getting replaced with more advanced aircraft
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The last time the NZDF had to perform an ice rescue it was only last winter, and they sent nice new RNZAF C-130J to do the job.Firstly, and except for the addition of a dumb ship-to-shore capability, this has all been debated previously. But an SOPV upgraded for a category A Navy could open the door a little bit earlier and a little bit later for Aotearoa, which provides certainty, while the SOPV could perform things like ice rescue later on in the year. Last time NZDF had to perform an ice rescue, we sent a P-3 and had 6 P-3's. We only have 4 P-8's now and no B757. It's obvious, isn't it? Get a Wolf.
RNZAF carries out mid-winter medical evacuation from Antarctica - New Zealand Defence Force
The 2025 DCP25 does outline any requirement for a Polar Class 4 (or higher) vessel.
I would much rather funding for a "nice to have" capability be directed towards such things as a larger/enhanced replacement for HMNZS Canterbury (a much-underrated resource).
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Fair point. RNZAF C-130s are the only choice for time-sensitive medical evacuation. My argument is that the SOPV offers a maritime presence and extended range other than the Ross airfield. The Canterbry replacement will be, by my guess, deployed for over 200 days, probably closer to 300, whereas a specialised pollar hull spends most of its life and budget searching for specific types of trouble.The last time the NZDF had to perform an ice rescue it was only last winter, and they sent nice new RNZAF C-130J to do the job.
RNZAF carries out mid-winter medical evacuation from Antarctica - New Zealand Defence Force
The 2025 DCP25 does outline any requirement for a Polar Class 4 (or higher) vessel.
I would much rather funding for a "nice to have" capability be directed towards such things as a larger/enhanced replacement for HMNZS Canterbury (a much-underrated resource).
My personel view is that getting nice to have before we have a defence force that can accually defend us is putting the cart before the horse and the reality is that specialty equipment that cannot significantly contribute to our defence should not be considered until our defence needs are obtained. however politicians think differently. The 757 replacement early in the funding cycle clearly shows this.
Agree, there are higher priority capabilities thst desperately need resourcing. The litmus test for our political class is the frigate replacement.My personel view is that getting nice to have before we have a defence force that can accually defend us is putting the cart before the horse and the reality is that specialty equipment that cannot significantly contribute to our defence should not be considered until our defence needs are obtained. however politicians think differently. The 757 replacement early in the funding cycle clearly shows this.
Further delays or failure to order 3 hulls (at an absolute minimum) in the current geopolitical climate will signal a complete lack of credibility to allies and any potential adversaries. Expect trade and diplomatic fall out as a result.