Middle East Defence & Security

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
Yes we have.
Excellent. Per the forum rules, please either provide proof of the claim made or retract the statement. Evidence could include things like footage of western jets operating over Tehran during day time (a large city where millions of people have cellphones with cameras), use of short-range air-to-ground munitions that couldn't realistically be used without flying over Tehran, or authoritative sources confirming that this is in fact taking place. I'll remind you, your claim in question is the following;

US and Israel fly at day over Tehran
 
Excellent. Per the forum rules, please either provide proof of the claim made or retract the statement. Evidence could include things like footage of western jets operating over Tehran during day time (a large city where millions of people have cellphones with cameras), use of short-range air-to-ground munitions that couldn't realistically be used without flying over Tehran, or authoritative sources confirming that this is in fact taking place. I'll remind you, your claim in question is the following;
Sure

Israel gains air superiority over Tehran

Im quite happy so far how things develop.
 

Sandhi Yudha

Well-Known Member
According to Kuwait, several american fighterjets have crashed over there
Here is a video of (an F-15?) such a crash, and the ejection of the pilot.
Video | Gevechtsvliegtuig tuimelt uit de lucht in Koeweit

That pilot seems to be safely recovered, but no any details yet of the other crashes, and why and how these crashes happened.

Update:
According to US Central Command three USAF F-15s went down due to "an apparent friendly fire incident".

Source:Video appears to show US F-15 fighter jet crashing in Kuwait

https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS...friendly-fire-incident-in-kuwait-pilots-safe/
 
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Iranian Navy Loses 4-5 combat Ships

On the first day of the war, the modern frigate IRIS Jamaran was hit by a drone attack and anchored in the port of Konarak.

Today, it was targeted and sunk alongside two 1960s-era corvettes, IRIS Bayandor and IRIS Naghdi. Both vessels likely suffered mechanical failures due to prolonged operations, leaving them immobilized at the scene.

There are unconfirmed reports that two small Handjan-class auxiliary ships were also lost.

A significant portion of the Iranian fleet dates back to the 1960s-80s and requires near-constant maintenance. These events follow reports from hours earlier, when the frigate IRIS Alborz - from 60s-, was seen engulfed in flames while docked at the Konarak Naval Base.

However, something caught my attention when looking at photos from February 27, where I noticed nearly 20 Iranian submarines based together with at least 6 to 8 ships in another base.
After all, on February 27, war was already imminent, and no one would leave so many submarines and ships clustered like that.

Iranian naval forces have always been somewhat confusing. Part is managed by the IRGC Navy, and another part by the regular Iranian Navy. In the 12-day war, these naval forces did not participate in the conflict, nor did they position vessels to attempt intercepting drones, which was very strange.

This time, besides the vessels not engaging against the American navy in guerrilla actions they were always trained to execute, the launches of anti-ship missiles have also been timid.

If the Iranian navy already has a confusing policy, the anti-ship missile forces are even more divided. These missiles are operated by four organizations: the IRGC Navy, the Iranian Navy, the Army, and the Iranian Aerospace Forces.

Something within this entire structure is partially responding to Iranian command or has simply decided not to engage, as happened in June 2025.

This question should be answered in the coming hours with action from the American navy, and we will see what posture the Iranian forces will take, which so far have demonstrated that something is wrong with their operations.

PS: President Trump mentioned 9 ships, but We disregard that and consider only what we can see through visual evidence.

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hauritz

Well-Known Member
Biggest concern I have is the
According to Kuwait, several american fighterjets have crashed over there
Here is a video of (an F-15?) such a crash, and the ejection of the pilot.
Video | Gevechtsvliegtuig tuimelt uit de lucht in Koeweit

That pilot seems to be safely recovered, but no any details yet of the other crashes, and why and how these crashes happened.

Update:
According to US Central Command three USAF F-15s went down due to "an apparent friendly fire incident".

Source:Video appears to show US F-15 fighter jet crashing in Kuwait
It is being reported that these fighters were mistakenly shot down by Kuwaiti air defences.
 

StobieWan

Super Moderator
Staff member
The F15 shoot down looks like a Green on Blue, 3 jets lost, which makes this the worst single-day loss for the USAF since maybe GW1 or way earlier ?


Most unfortunate, and hopefully co-ordination will be improved as a result. Very expensive lesson however.
 
The F15 shoot down looks like a Green on Blue, 3 jets lost, which makes this the worst single-day loss for the USAF since maybe GW1 or way earlier ?


Most unfortunate, and hopefully co-ordination will be improved as a result. Very expensive lesson however.
Thanks god the crew was saved. Thats the only good thing.

Meanwhile Qatar has shot down 2 iranian SU-24
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
I'll say this, I frequently talk about how it doesn't seem Russia has learned the lessons of the war in Ukraine on an institutional level, but everyone else is no better. Here's US military vehicles parked in neat little rows, for Iranian drones to strike. No dispersal, no vehicle shelters, no attempt to properly hide assets... if Iran was using proper sized drone swarms, the damage would be catastrophic. As is it appears lone drones are getting through even without mass launches.


Also despite all the strikes against Iran, they appear to be continuing strikes against ships passing the strait, and against various regional targets at approximately the same rate as before. It remains to be seen if this pattern holds. This war is still very very young. It's telling that Iran is also striking oil-related infrastructure targets, rather than just blocking the strait. They might not be confident in their ability to maintain the disruption in maritime traffic.
 

hauritz

Well-Known Member
I'll say this, I frequently talk about how it doesn't seem Russia has learned the lessons of the war in Ukraine on an institutional level, but everyone else is no better. Here's US military vehicles parked in neat little rows, for Iranian drones to strike. No dispersal, no vehicle shelters, no attempt to properly hide assets... if Iran was using proper sized drone swarms, the damage would be catastrophic. As is it appears lone drones are getting through even without mass launches.


Also despite all the strikes against Iran, they appear to be continuing strikes against ships passing the strait, and against various regional targets at approximately the same rate as before. It remains to be seen if this pattern holds. This war is still very very young. It's telling that Iran is also striking oil-related infrastructure targets, rather than just blocking the strait. They might not be confident in their ability to maintain the disruption in maritime traffic.
Drones are cheap effective weapons. Not sure it is possible to stop them wreaking havoc against oil facilities and maritime traffic. This could be where Trump's hubris blows up in his face. Iran could drag this out indefinitely. Trump's biggest nightmare would be to have to commit ground forces.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
Trump's biggest nightmare would be to have to commit ground forces.
That will be political gamble too much, considering his campaign and political standing on election toward reducing US boots in the volatile regions. He has pull back from Afghanistan, now want to put boots in Iran ? That's too much gamble toward mid term election.

Add:
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I'm bit sceptical on Qatar claim for Balistic Missile interception. However for others seems shown more plausible number.
 
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Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
Drones are cheap effective weapons. Not sure it is possible to stop them wreaking havoc against oil facilities and maritime traffic. This could be where Trump's hubris blows up in his face. Iran could drag this out indefinitely. Trump's biggest nightmare would be to have to commit ground forces.
I think that in principle drone defense against long range strike drones is doable under present conditions. It just hasn't really been done in this theater. Both Ukraine and Russia regularly face attack waves much denser than what Iran has been putting out and manage the threat, albeit with varying success. I think the US, with regional allies, had a vastly deeper pool of resources and had time to prepare, and it doesn't seem they have done so. That having been said, the part where US military assets haven't been dispersed or hidden in any way raises questions more so than the maritime strike piece or the strikes against stationary facilities.
 

Todjaeger

Potstirrer
I'll say this, I frequently talk about how it doesn't seem Russia has learned the lessons of the war in Ukraine on an institutional level, but everyone else is no better. Here's US military vehicles parked in neat little rows, for Iranian drones to strike. No dispersal, no vehicle shelters, no attempt to properly hide assets... if Iran was using proper sized drone swarms, the damage would be catastrophic. As is it appears lone drones are getting through even without mass launches.
The Russian-Ukrainian War?! Forget that, what about lessons that the US should have learned after the airstrikes launched by Imperial Japan upon facilities and in particular airfields in Hawaii and the Philippines on Dec. 7th & 8th, 1941? Some 300 aircraft were outright destroyed in these strikes, with many more damaged.

It seems that either past lessons were not learned, had been forgotten, or perhaps a case of one hand doing something whilst the other remained in the dark.
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
The Russian-Ukrainian War?! Forget that, what about lessons that the US should have learned after the airstrikes launched by Imperial Japan upon facilities and in particular airfields in Hawaii and the Philippines on Dec. 7th & 8th, 1941? Some 300 aircraft were outright destroyed in these strikes, with many more damaged.

It seems that either past lessons were not learned, had been forgotten, or perhaps a case of one hand doing something whilst the other remained in the dark.
I mean... yes and no. The environment has changed pretty drastically, and dispersion and concealment are core elements of mitigating the drone threat. The US marched cheerfully into a confrontation with the country where Russia got a lot of their drone tech, and didn't take those measures... It really makes me think that if US ground forces went to war against a drone operator as proficient as Ukraine or Russia, they would be in for a rude awakening. But it applies to both sides. Iran hasn't learned those lessons either. Where are the giant drone swarms? You can hunt down and destroy ballistic missile TELs, but Shaheds are launched from the back of a pickup truck rather easily. Iran can't be out of pickup trucks... and they have quite long flight times. Meaning a single launcher can put dozens in the air, and they can fly stupid circles at low altitude until the entire flock is airborne, before all heading for their target. It really feels like both sides are in some regard behind the curve, which is strange.
 
I'll say this, I frequently talk about how it doesn't seem Russia has learned the lessons of the war in Ukraine on an institutional level, but everyone else is no better. Here's US military vehicles parked in neat little rows, for Iranian drones to strike. No dispersal, no vehicle shelters, no attempt to properly hide assets... if Iran was using proper sized drone swarms, the damage would be catastrophic. As is it appears lone drones are getting through even without mass launches.


Also despite all the strikes against Iran, they appear to be continuing strikes against ships passing the strait, and against various regional targets at approximately the same rate as before. It remains to be seen if this pattern holds. This war is still very very young. It's telling that Iran is also striking oil-related infrastructure targets, rather than just blocking the strait. They might not be confident in their ability to maintain the disruption in maritime traffic.
Please folow the forum rules.

Bring numbers backed up by sources what was the strike rate before compared to now to base your assumption on real facts.

Mod edit: Temp ban instituted to allow for discussion by the Mod team. Asking someone (never mind a member of the Mod team) to follow the forum rules without articulating which rule or rules you feel have been violated and without using the Report Post feature is a potential sign of trolling behavior. Wanting or expecting someone to post strike data that's likely classified and not publicly available during a period of active conflict is not only unreasonable, it's also rather ridiculuous.
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I mean... yes and no. The environment has changed pretty drastically, and dispersion and concealment are core elements of mitigating the drone threat. The US marched cheerfully into a confrontation with the country where Russia got a lot of their drone tech, and didn't take those measures... It really makes me think that if US ground forces went to war against a drone operator as proficient as Ukraine or Russia, they would be in for a rude awakening. But it applies to both sides. Iran hasn't learned those lessons either. Where are the giant drone swarms? You can hunt down and destroy ballistic missile TELs, but Shaheds are launched from the back of a pickup truck rather easily. Iran can't be out of pickup trucks... and they have quite long flight times. Meaning a single launcher can put dozens in the air, and they can fly stupid circles at low altitude until the entire flock is airborne, before all heading for their target. It really feels like both sides are in some regard behind the curve, which is strange.
I think you miss a very important fact and that is, that the iranian regime faces a extreme number of internal enemies. That is also part of the game. It is a fact, that the regime is compromised up to the highest levels. So what we see is the open withold of assets, open sabotage of defense. Iran on the other side has no acess to the israeli or american leadership or decission making. This is the worst aspect for the regime.

Israel has agents in the most inner circle of the iranian regime and got the ayatollahs death confirmed within minutes.
 

Todjaeger

Potstirrer
I mean... yes and no. The environment has changed pretty drastically, and dispersion and concealment are core elements of mitigating the drone threat. The US marched cheerfully into a confrontation with the country where Russia got a lot of their drone tech, and didn't take those measures... It really makes me think that if US ground forces went to war against a drone operator as proficient as Ukraine or Russia, they would be in for a rude awakening. But it applies to both sides. Iran hasn't learned those lessons either. Where are the giant drone swarms? You can hunt down and destroy ballistic missile TELs, but Shaheds are launched from the back of a pickup truck rather easily. Iran can't be out of pickup trucks... and they have quite long flight times. Meaning a single launcher can put dozens in the air, and they can fly stupid circles at low altitude until the entire flock is airborne, before all heading for their target. It really feels like both sides are in some regard behind the curve, which is strange.
TBH it makes me suspect that neither the US ground forces and fixed installation, or Iran was really ready or expecting conflict to break out.

If US forces did not undertake steps to disperse and harden aircraft positions prior to the start of conflict, then it might be a case of orders to undertake strikes might not have also been issued appropriately to deal with potential counterstrikes.

On the side of Iran, some of the organizational leadership might have been disrupted enough so that there is insufficient coordination and control to manage large drone swarms. A single launcher might be sufficient to get a number of drones aloft over time, and there might be sufficient flight time for this to happen and still have drones reach desired targets, but are there enough operators or controllers to handle a number of drones in a potential swarm?

Alternately, stupidity is unfortunately always a possibility as well.
 

KipPotapych

Well-Known Member
Gonna be long…

A lot of uncertainty. The entire premise for the war, as had now been outlined by Rubio, is rather ludicrous. The reported plan to have a Venezuela scenario as a template also shows a complete lack of understanding of the situation.


Rubio’s comments make zero sense to me. The logic is completely flawed.







This is complete nonsense. Especially the part where he says that Iran would attack the US bases regardless of who attacked Iran - be it Israel, US or anyone else. Doubt he believes it himself. He should have said that Israel was set to go to war and we would attack regardless once Iran retaliated against Israel, or, alternatively, we were set to go to war. I understand that a good chunk of population (and even a much greater chunk of their prime electorate) lacks the ability to think critically, but nonetheless.

Then there is the genius Secretary of Defense (or War, whatever tickles the childish narcissistic ego).





More reverse logic from Waltz:



Overall, the time it took them to move the assets in preparation should have been more than sufficient to form a coherent strategy and be prepared to clearly explain it by any given member of the administration who is allowed anywhere near a mike. But they just keep delivering:



I think the author of the post commented sufficiently, though I am not sure that all the Arab countries, including some of those being attacked, wanted to avoid the war. They wanted to avoid being attacked, no doubt. The irony here is that a reasonable person can say with the utmost certainty that if the US attacked Iran, Iran would respond by attacking the Arab countries being attacked. As advertised.

Anyway, moving on. There is so much talk about Israel and the the US running out of interceptors and Iran winning the war of attrition. Lots of talk about Israel and the US running out of other munitions as well (what they hit with can probably be said can last “indefinitely”). Complete nonsense again. Sure, stock limitations on AD interceptors are real. However, we are in day two (well, I guess three) into it. The obvious question is whether Iran itself can sustain the strike intensity (which does not appear to be as intense, to be honest; more dated and fake videos out there than of real current footage). Completely agree with Decker here:



The Arabs running out of AD capabilities, I think, is a more pertinent matter at the moment. Speaking of fakes, this one appeared early in the morning, claiming to show the board from the Shahed that landed in Cyprus:


I saw a couple of posts questioning the content (way before the “community note” appeared suggesting that the video is from 2024, which took a while). The giveaways were clear though. The guy in the video clearly says “kometa”, while the post itself never mentions it and concentrates on “thanking” the Europeans still supplying the dictators with components and tags #Shahed in particular (don’t think there is still any official confirmation regarding the type of the UV involved, but stand to be corrected). Zero doubt in my mind that this is a part of the Ukrainian campaign (that is also, simultaneously, claims that Russia had betrayed its “axis” partner).



Some of the idiocy is actually being reposted by serious people:




To note, the proposition in itself is far from impossible and is rather plausible. To base one’s assumptions (or statements of fact, rather) on this rubbish, however, is the Spaniard’s level of abilities.

One of the original posts calling bullshit (the “og” post above had circulated for quite some time and was picked up and reposted many, many times before the call-out):



Moving on.







With obvious consequences:





I haven’t yet seen much consideration given to the fact that this is how the “Arabs” get their food, as well as other imports into their countries. Wondering how long this will last and how it develops.

Wasn’t the following exactly what was proposed the first time around last year? The common suggestion is that the regime chose crowd control over its own safety. I find that questionable, personally. Also, since this was advertised last time, months ago, one would think precautions would have been made. Stupid is as stupid does?



While there is more to post and discuss, I am going to wrap this up with some humour:



 
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