Australian Army Discussions and Updates

StevoJH

The Bunker Group
There's enough example of Russian tanks with counter drone technology being hit by drones because the jamming system did not work if Thales is confident fit them to some of those over in Ukraine
So that the Russians can develop a counter measure, rendering it obsolete or obsolescent?

Keeping in mind that any counter measure will likely be shared or sold to China, North Korea and Iran at some point.
 

Stampede

Well-Known Member
Why would we?

Look at the shelf life of these Ukrainian examples? Drones from two years ago are obsolete, replaced by better/faster/more resilient models. Gosh - just compare a DJI Mavic now to 2022. The life cycle of a drone is small that fleets (unless they are being chewed up through war) quickly go out of date. And remember, assume $3k per drone and a fleet of 10 000 (which is much lower than what Ukraine or Russia are running) and that's $30 m. Bumping up numbers of either could push that to over $1 b for a wartime fleet. Rotating every 2 - 3 years is going to chew up money quickly, especially as noting they don't replace any of our capabilities, just enhance, so we have to keep the rest of the ADF going.

Better to have just enough to train up users, commanders and counter-users to keep them familiar enough as tech changes, and then a mobilisation plan that can pump out what we want/need when we have to.
It would be interesting to know what % of the current Ukrainian and Russian Army is devoted to drone warfare.
Offensively - operators and their logistic support plus training
Defensively- operators and the equipment needed plus logistic support and training.
Only a couple of decades ago it would have been a tiny % of human capital and coin.
Today a very different situation.

This question I’d also ask of the Australian Army.
What % is devoted to drone / unmanned warfare.

Don’t expect a concise answer in a public forum but resent global hostilities do highlight the rapid growth of the unmanned space.

Cheers S
 

old faithful

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
The Australian Army Himars Regiment is going to be quite large.
Each battery will have 12 Himars launchers.That is twice as many launchers per battery as a U.S. Marine Corps Himars battery.
So presuming there are three batteries in the regiment that is 36 Launchers in the regiment.
How many rounds did we order again?
How long before we will manufacture our own ammunition for these, and how many rounds will that factory be able to make a month?
 

Reptilia

Well-Known Member
How many rounds did we order again?
How long before we will manufacture our own ammunition for these, and how many rounds will that factory be able to make a month?
GMLRS
Purchased 300 rounds + 54(GMLRS-AW)
Beginning small batch manufacturing/assembly 2025.
Up to 4,000 a year from 2029.

Standard crawl, walk, run -starting with gmlrs.
 
Last edited:

old faithful

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
4000 a year is not running. Maybe a casual jog.
That's 95 rounds per unit per month at 4000 a year, which will take several years to achieve.
Until then...crawl, crawl crawl, walk, stumble walk...
The 155mm factory will be able to produce 15000 per year, and then be capable of ramping it up if needed.
HIMARs is a great capability, but we will still need the 155s, and I wonder if the 30 Huntsman that we're cancelled will be revived?
I would really hope to see another lot of Huntsman, even another 12 units would be meaningful.
The ARES really needs a total re org, I have not seen any interest in the Reserve at all, I am hoping that some plans are there in the background.
 

Reptilia

Well-Known Member
4000 a year is not running. Maybe a casual jog.
That's 95 rounds per unit per month at 4000 a year, which will take several years to achieve.
Until then...crawl, crawl crawl, walk, stumble walk...
The 155mm factory will be able to produce 15000 per year, and then be capable of ramping it up if needed.
HIMARs is a great capability, but we will still need the 155s, and I wonder if the 30 Huntsman that we're cancelled will be revived?
I would really hope to see another lot of Huntsman, even another 12 units would be meaningful.
The ARES really needs a total re org, I have not seen any interest in the Reserve at all, I am hoping that some plans are there in the background.
15,000 by 2028, up to 100,000 per year in the future. That’s up to 200,000 per year between Benalla and Maryborough.
The 2nd batch of AS9(5 crew) is unlikely, they have the A2(3 crew + auto loader) available now and are currently developing the unmanned (A3) variant for entry in the 2030s.

Production
2025-2027 > 30 AS9 + 15 AS10
2027-2029 > 129 AS21
2030 > ?

I think we will see more Redbacks followed by K9A3s, just my prediction.

GMLRS for now but maybe Prsm down the track.
 

seaspear

Well-Known Member
Is it practical to fit the "Iron Fist" self defence to the AS9 Howitzers I understand they are being attached to the Boxers and would provide a similar anti drone protection ?
 
Top