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Volkodav

The Bunker Group
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Seriously guys NDIS again?

Can't let anyone who's different or doing it hard get some help but we can keep negative gearing, tax breaks for billionaires, a back to front superannuation system that taxes inputs but not withdrawals, but that's all good, it's those horrible, undeserving, disabled people who are costing too much.

The problem with the system is there are multiple layers of "small" and not so small, businesses gifting it, just like they gifted child care, aged care, vocational education, job search, school halls and home insulation.

Many individuals made fortunes from government schemes over the years, Rudd's wife was one, Dutton was another, Hamilton Smith in SA as well, there are many many more.

But sure, blame the people who the money is meant to help, who never see any benefit from it.

How about instead of cutting schemes that try and help people, we start enforcing laws and gaoling criminals and con artists?

Maybe then start investing in local industry, upskilling people, providing career paths for people who don't have a trade and haven't been to uni, that pay enough to actually live?

Maybe use NDIS to level the field in terms of education and opportunity, and give people the best chance to be the best they can. It doesn't matter if you are in a wheelchair if you work at a desk, designers work at desks.

Lots of the areas we have skills shortages need the very people NDIS helps, but sure, let's cut or scrap the system because it's being ripped off by the same crims who rip off every system.
 
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Morgo

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Volkodav said:
Seriously guys NDIS again?

Can't let anyone who's different or doing it hard get some help but we can keep negative gearing, tax breaks for billionaires, a back to front superannuation system that taxes inputs but not withdrawals, but that's all good, it's those horrible, undeserving, disabled people who are costing too much.

The problem with the system is there are multiple layers of "small" and not so small, businesses gifting it, just like they gifted child care, aged care, vocational education, job search, school halls and home insulation.

Many individuals made fortunes from government schemes over the years, Rudd's wife was one, Dutton was another, Hamilton Smith in SA as well, there are many many more.

But sure, blame the people who the money is meant to help, who never see any benefit from it.

How about instead of cutting schemes that try and help people, we start enforcing laws and gaoling criminals and con artists?

Maybe then start investing in local industry, upskilling people, providing career paths for people who don't have a trade and haven't been to uni, that pay enough to actually live?

Maybe use NDIS to level the field in terms of education and opportunity, and give people the best chance to be the best they can. It doesn't matter if you are in a wheelchair if you work at a desk, designers work at desks.

Lots of the areas we have skills shortages need the very people NDIS helps, but sure, let's cut or scrap the system because it's being ripped off by the same crims who rip off every system.
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Absolutely nothing to do with the recipients.

Absolutely everything to do with the fraud and gravy trains being run by the providers.
 
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Volkodav

The Bunker Group
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Morgo said:
Absolutely nothing to do with the recipients.

Absolutely everything to do with the fraud and gravy trains being run by the providers.
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The talk isn't about targeting the rent seekers who rip of everything everywhere every time, it about cutting access and cutting services to those in need.

It's the same with indigenous services, veteran services as well, cut the funding but do nothing about the grifters. The NT is full of white guys with pony tails in senior roles in Indigenous corporations.

Rule of thumb, if someone is meant to be working for a government funded organisation, or an organisation managing government funding, they should not be able to afford Lamborghinis.

This also applies to the consultancy firms that were so popular in the last decade. May be paying decent wages to get some competent public servants may be more effective than funding millionaire factory "providers"
 
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old faithful

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The $ has to come from somewhere Volks, and we all know that the NDIS is needed, however it can definitely be more efficient. $60 B is close our current defence spending, there are roots that are identified, still to be identified and will be identified that need to be nipped in the bud.
 
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old faithful

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Volkodav said:
The talk isn't about targeting the rent seekers who rip of everything everywhere every time, it about cutting access and cutting services to those in need.

It's the same with indigenous services, veteran services as well, cut the funding but do nothing about the grifters. The NT is full of white guys with pony tails in senior roles in Indigenous corporations.

Rule of thumb, if someone is meant to be working for a government funded organisation, or an organisation managing government funding, they should not be able to afford Lamborghinis.
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Full of white guys with pony tails?!!

Are you for real?
I suggest you check yourself Volk, google YBE CEO, or Larrakeah Nation CEO. Have a good hard look at yourself mate.

Here some more white guys with pony tails...

www.abc.net.au

What happened to $34 million from Groote Eylandt trust fund?

Millions of dollars of mining royalties intended for the benefit of a remote island community off Arnhem Land were instead spent on more than 150 cars and boats, a barge, gambling and charter flights.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

You just lost me. Lived here for a year or two and never left ya house.
 
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Volkodav

The Bunker Group
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old faithful said:
Full of white guys with pony tails?!!

Are you for real?
I suggest you check yourself Volk, google YBE CEO, or Larrakeah Nation CEO. Have a good hard look at yourself mate.

Here some more white guys with pony tails...

www.abc.net.au

What happened to $34 million from Groote Eylandt trust fund?

Millions of dollars of mining royalties intended for the benefit of a remote island community off Arnhem Land were instead spent on more than 150 cars and boats, a barge, gambling and charter flights.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

You just lost me. Lived here for a year or two and never left ya house.
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Read my post, "senior roles in" not specifically CEOs. I met them, I hated them for the corrupt scum they were. There is on particular turd I was thinking of who I am not allowed to name.

Lots of blow in "white saviour" cruds in consulting roles as well as senior facilitation roles. Same sort of turds you see in many strata and community housing rorts as well. That's another sector full of grifters.

A big part of the issue is people blaming the victims, not the perpetrators, that is of course, until they are directly affected and can't understand why no one believes them.
 
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downunderblue

Active Member
SammyC said:
I think you are right Armchair. I would have thought the Labor approach is to bring forward/announce expenditure already incorporated, but unallocated) into the IIR, or at most bulking up existing structures.I am assuming the $5 billion is over the 4 year period out to F29.

The Coalition strategy will however likely be different. They will look to change the IIR to put their own stamp on it. F35s are the classic example.
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We really are in the silly season, arent we ...
 
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downunderblue

Active Member
MARKMILES77 said:
Not much detail in the article other than to claim the Government is considering "fast-tracking $5 Billion worth of defence spending" in next week's budget.
No detail on what equipment or projects could be purchased in the next couple of years rather than for their originally planned, much further away, planned purchase schedules.
Not sure if the picture of SAMs is a clue?
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I heard somewhere that AU reflected or received some 'feedback' from INDOPACOM or above that the existing Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) cover over joint operations areas like FBW or Darwin/ Tindal was potentially inadequate, and didn't meet INDOPACOM best practice identified in their 'IAMD Vision 2028'.

I assume we've worked out either we commence more substantial investment in a layered IAMD, or we go cap in hand to our partner asking for them to do it for us/ supplement what we have?

It'll be expensive, but cheaper than the alternative in time of a peer to peer conflict. Maybe we'll end up with a press release and the allocation of some monies in the budget to address (or look like were addressing this risk)?
 
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Volkodav

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old faithful said:
You just lost me. Lived here for a year or two and never left ya house.
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Born there, went to school there, then went back for a decade, which was too long.

Still have family and friends there, not just Darwin, but Katherine and Alice, still have many links to the place, hell I was even there for Tracy. You know I lived rural, and you know the projects I worked on, so just love the "never left ya house".

Some great people and great memories but glad I am not there anymore. There were too many people I wish I had never had the displeasure of meeting, including jerks with ponytails who should be in gaol.
 
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downunderblue

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No extra ADF funds allocated in today's budget- apparently they have done enough already ...
https://x.com/AndrewBGreene
Source: @AndrewBGreene

Ahead of Tuesday’s budget @JEChalmers rules out further defence spending telling ABC “we’ve made room for a very substantial increase in defence spending, we've done what we can. To put an extra $50b plus in the defence budget over the life of the next decade is a big effort”.
 
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ADMk2

Just a bloke
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downunderblue said:
No extra ADF funds allocated in today's budget- apparently they have done enough already ...
https://x.com/AndrewBGreene
Source: @AndrewBGreene

Ahead of Tuesday’s budget @JEChalmers rules out further defence spending telling ABC “we’ve made room for a very substantial increase in defence spending, we've done what we can. To put an extra $50b plus in the defence budget over the life of the next decade is a big effort”.
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Phew, that’s a relief. Here I was thinking, they hadn’t even got seriously started to even think about what we might need to contribute to a war in the South China Sea…
 
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Bob53

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Volkodav said:
The talk isn't about targeting the rent seekers who rip of everything everywhere every time, it about cutting access and cutting services to those in need.

It's the same with indigenous services, veteran services as well, cut the funding but do nothing about the grifters. The NT is full of white guys with pony tails in senior roles in Indigenous corporations.

Rule of thumb, if someone is meant to be working for a government funded organisation, or an organisation managing government funding, they should not be able to afford Lamborghinis.

This also applies to the consultancy firms that were so popular in the last decade. May be paying decent wages to get some competent public servants may be more effective than funding millionaire factory "providers"
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No,it’s about finding the rorts and addressing them I’ve given plenty of first hand examples. Hers is another. A contact of mine tells me his wifes sister does NDIS support for 3 different agencies each for about 6 hrs a week. . Primary out of home assistance …walking, visit to the beach. But what she does is arranges there at a time from different agencies so she arranges them at the same time. Picks them up in their Van and takes them to sit at the local pier and gets paid 3 x for the same work from 3 agencies.

the main issue is the providers. Certainly there’s are some care options that raise eyebrows and excessive spends that result. It’s a simple matter of maths. We can’t afford to do what’s been done the last few years and seriously in some communities NDIS has become a pile on and why wouldn’t you.
 
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jeffb

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So after finding this person rorting the system you addressed it by reporting them I assume?

There are tons of issues with NDIS but I don't see you making a case that it is the provider's fault that this person is incredibly dishonest, that is if this situation with your contact's wife's sister is accurate. Yes, the cost has ballooned but I don't see the total budget as the problem instead it is potentially causing a drain on our manpower (bringing this back to Defence). Where is the bulk of the NDIS money spent? In Australia by Australians in Australian businesses.

Why aren't we stopping people like this and supporting our country? An attitude of "everyone is ripping it off so I want mine too" is piss poor.

Also while we are in this awkward pre-election phase of governance, with the noise both sides are making about potential conflict in the near future the proposed nuclear power station plan seems strategically short-sighted. Facing an adversary which will target our infrastructure in the event of a conflict, the plan is to centralise it around 7(?) sites? That does not add up.
 
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Bob53

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jeffb said:
So after finding this person rorting the system you addressed it by reporting them I assume?

There are tons of issues with NDIS but I don't see you making a case that it is the provider's fault that this person is incredibly dishonest, that is if this situation with your contact's wife's sister is accurate. Yes, the cost has ballooned but I don't see the total budget as the problem instead it is potentially causing a drain on our manpower (bringing this back to Defence). Where is the bulk of the NDIS money spent? In Australia by Australians in Australian businesses.

Why aren't we stopping people like this and supporting our country? An attitude of "everyone is ripping it off so I want mine too" is piss poor.

Also while we are in this awkward pre-election phase of governance, with the noise both sides are making about potential conflict in the near future the proposed nuclear power station plan seems strategically short-sighted. Facing an adversary which will target our infrastructure in the event of a conflict, the plan is to centralise it around 7(?) sites? That does not add up.
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It’s been done but the providers apparently don’t care. It’s allowed within the guidelines.

If you read back a bit…95 year old aunty quoted by NDIS approved builders … $93 and $72 k to build a 3 step ramp. Local guy did it for approx $3800 but not paid for by NDIS as it was under some threshold. Same Aunty $38 k to update the tiniest bath room with a. Single sheet glass shower and the cheapest fittings and tiles. My Reno mate says it’s $7-9k worth. A wheel chair and lift charged at about $50k total when retail was about $10k. And due to sudden death it wasn’t ever used and when they asked to return it so it could be re used was told to dispose of it them selves. The providers make A % so they don’t want anything to do with reusing or getting a better deal. Mates brother had kitchen and bath room done and sold his house for significant profit…now back in line to get kitchen and bathroom done at his new house. It’s this sort of rort that needs to be killed off. I told the story of the kid getting $500 each time to take 3 people to golf every week. Fortunately they have stopped NDIS respite holidays I think. a New 50 thousand a year are getting On NDIS each year with ADHD. My own grand daughter had speech therapy renewed at $18000 a year when her parents have said it’s no longer needed. Although not being used the provider sets 30 minute review meetings each month. The provider gets $185 per hr plus travel money…no idea if it’s being claimed, the whole thing is looser than a hookers waist band.
 
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south

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Bob53 said:
It’s been done but the providers apparently don’t care. It’s allowed within the guidelines.

If you read back a bit…95 year old aunty quoted by NDIS approved builders … $93 and $72 k to build a 3 step ramp. Local guy did it for approx $3800 but not paid for by NDIS as it was under some threshold. Same Aunty $38 k to update the tiniest bath room with a. Single sheet glass shower and the cheapest fittings and tiles. My Reno mate says it’s $7-9k worth. A wheel chair and lift charged at about $50k total when retail was about $10k. And due to sudden death it wasn’t ever used and when they asked to return it so it could be re used was told to dispose of it them selves. The providers make A % so they don’t want anything to do with reusing or getting a better deal. Mates brother had kitchen and bath room done and sold his house for significant profit…now back in line to get kitchen and bathroom done at his new house. It’s this sort of rort that needs to be killed off. I told the story of the kid getting $500 each time to take 3 people to golf every week. Fortunately they have stopped NDIS respite holidays I think. a New 50 thousand a year are getting On NDIS each year with ADHD. My own grand daughter had speech therapy renewed at $18000 a year when her parents have said it’s no longer needed. Although not being used the provider sets 30 minute review meetings each month. The provider gets $185 per hr plus travel money…no idea if it’s being claimed, the whole thing is looser than a hookers waist band.
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I’m curious how your 95 year old Aunt accessed NDIS given it stops at 65?

You cannot access NDIS if your sole disability is ADHD.

Respite stays are a thing - and a carer will generally get paid for care hours at home. But NDIS won’t cover travel, accomodation for family or carers, or allowances.

On average, only 75% of allocated funding to NDIS participants is used. And it doesn’t roll over - if it isn’t used, it returns to the system.

Certainly not saying NDIS is perfect…there are some bad inefficiencies… and yes, there are people rorting the system . Your cases are generally second hand (third, fourth… contacts wives sister) and completely ineligible, which makes me doubt the veracity. Good stories at the pub to get people up in arms though.
 
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SammyC

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Labor’s $1b fast-tracked defence spending falls short of target

sounds like defence is only getting $1B extra in the budget. The key paragraph in the above link is as follows

The $1 billion brought forward is not being tied to specific projects but Marles said it would allow the government to speed up construction of Perth’s base for US nuclear-powered submarines, boosting missile stockpiles and buying new frigates for the navy.

“The acceleration of the $1 billion is really there to ensure that the very ambitious timelines that we have in relation to all of this are going to be met, and they are,” Marles said.
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So, Stirling and Henderson, more missiles and the GPF. Not much, extra, especially across those three projects.
 
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Bob53

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south said:
I’m curious how your 95 year old Aunt accessed NDIS given it stops at 65?

You cannot access NDIS if your sole disability is ADHD.

Respite stays are a thing - and a carer will generally get paid for care hours at home. But NDIS won’t cover travel, accomodation for family or carers, or allowances.

On average, only 75% of allocated funding to NDIS participants is used. And it doesn’t roll over - if it isn’t used, it returns to the system.

Certainly not saying NDIS is perfect…there are some bad inefficiencies… and yes, there are people rorting the system . Your cases are generally second hand (third, fourth… contacts wives sister) and completely ineligible, which makes me doubt the veracity. Good stories at the pub to get people up in arms though.
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The NDIS does support older Australians who meet certain eligibility criteria Particularly in remote anreas where other support services are nit anvailabke. aside from the mates brother sister in law the rest are first hand. It’s not like , I have hundreds of people in the family but enough to know it has major issues.

Went To my son’s house in Hastings today, at the end of court is a house that’s been an absolute shithole for years with the yard over grown and covered in rubbish, several cars, old clothing, garbage bags, shopping trolleys, old bikes…just a yard full of shit.. The 2 blokes who live There are nice enough fellas but drug issues and appears they have a history of selling and lots of traffic in the street that no one wants. Not ideal but my son chats with them just to make sure he keeps on the right side of them. These guys spend a lot of time walking around Hastings down near the marina and around town. Get there today and the yard has 5 guys loading all the rubbish, mowing, cleaning up. Asked my son if Bill and Ben had moved out. He said nope. He spoke with them this morning and they told him guess who was sending people around to clean up. It was my own uncle that died and didn’t get to use his wheel chair and car lift. The Prices that were charged were real. How do I know this? I was there when I held the invoice in my hand. I was there when we contacted the provide try and return it. You may not believe it but there is massive rorting going on.
 
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Volkodav

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south said:
I’m curious how your 95 year old Aunt accessed NDIS given it stops at 65?

You cannot access NDIS if your sole disability is ADHD.

Respite stays are a thing - and a carer will generally get paid for care hours at home. But NDIS won’t cover travel, accomodation for family or carers, or allowances.

On average, only 75% of allocated funding to NDIS participants is used. And it doesn’t roll over - if it isn’t used, it returns to the system.

Certainly not saying NDIS is perfect…there are some bad inefficiencies… and yes, there are people rorting the system . Your cases are generally second hand (third, fourth… contacts wives sister) and completely ineligible, which makes me doubt the veracity. Good stories at the pub to get people up in arms though.
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Spot on.

The reality, my son has an approved budget that he has never come near spending. He wants to learn how to drive and we found an OT who specialises in driver instruction, six months on, we are still waiting for NDIS to approve moving the money from one bucket to another.

A lot of his supports we have paid out of our own pockets rather than waiting for the NDIS to sort their shit out.

The scheme is far from perfect, but a great many people would be stuffed without it, not everyone can afford to look after their disable relatives themselves.
 
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