Indian Army News and Discussion

[aaaditya]

indian army is to rapidly upgrade it army air wing with new helicopters.

Army in an overdrive, to buy 197 choppers

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Posted online: Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 1133 hours IST[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Updated: Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 1139 hours IST[/font]

New Delhi, September 4: In its major drive underway to modernise all arms--Infantry, Armour, Artillery and Mechanised units--army has finalised plans to expand its aviation wing with acquisition of 197 light helicopters as also to equip itself with light helicopter gunships for use in high-altitude areas.
Top officials said army was awaiting the nod from the government for rapid expansion of its air fleet, after making a strong case for having its own medium lift transport helicopters, assault choppers, anti-tank combat helicopters and for the first time, to have limited number of light fixed wing aircraft.


Army officials have lamented lack of close air support in counter-isurgency operations, high-altitude areas and during Kargil operations to press for expansion of its air arm. The contract for 197 light helicopters to replace its ageing fleet of Cheetahs and Chetaks is almost at the final stages with two major bidders, the Eurocopter and American Bell Textron completing their second and final round of summer trials in Jammu and Kashmir and Rajasthan.
The Army Aviation Corp proposes to buy 55 helicopters outright and the remaining 142-odd be built under licence at Bangalore-based Hindustan Aeronautics in a deal estimated to be worth more 500 million US dollars.
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=53930#compstory

well here are the contenders:
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/as555_fennec/
couldnt find info on bell407
i beleive all of them are capable of being used for anti tank roles.:coffee


well here is the info on bell407 it can carry hellfire missile while the fennec can carry the tow misssiles.

Website: http://www.bellhelicopter.com​

http://www.bellhelicopter.com/en/aircraft/military/ARH/bellarh-72.pdf

 

[driftder]

Re: indian army news

hmmm...fennec helicopter? Light scouts with some AT capability. We happen to use them too on our side. Good for insertion, rather quiet.

 

[aaaditya]

Re: indian army news

i would consider bell407 equipped with the hellfire a killer combo best suited for indian army.:coffee

 

[aaaditya]

Re: indian army news

finally the excalibur is coming and it is ambidextrous.



[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New, improved rifles for the Indian Army[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Developed by Pune’s ARDE, the upgraded INSAS is awaiting orders.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Pune, September 7:[/font] [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]THE much-needed under barrel grenade launcher upgrade to the INSAS (Indian Small Arms Systems) rifle is finally ready and city-based Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) says that they are awaiting Army orders. The good news is that the new launcher developed by ARDE is ‘flexible’ and can even be fitted to the AK-47s used by the armed forces. The indigenous INSAS rifle, which was developed to equip the Army with cutting edge technology, was being held back as it did not have an under barrel grenade launcher and night fighting capabilities. In the absence of these, the Army was forced to order 3,400 Isreali made Tavor 21 rifles in October 2002.
The Army is also eagerly waiting for the carbine variant of INSAS to be used by field commanders. ‘‘The carbine version is also ready and is undergoing user trails at the moment,’’ said AS Rajagopal, director, ARDE at a recent armament meet. While the carbine may take some time before it can be inducted into the Army, it will be among the most advanced in the world. ‘‘We are getting good feedback for our carbine. It is unique, as it is personalized for left handlers too,’’ adds Rajagopal.
Although the rifle is now upgraded, there were two other problems with it. The Army had complained that there was an oil leakage problem and the cartridge would crack in extreme temperature conditions. However, defense authorities say that both the problems have now been fixed. http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=147534 :coffee

[/font]

 

[driftder]

Re: indian army news

i would consider bell407 equipped with the hellfire a killer combo best suited for indian army.:coffee

In what ways is it considered a killer combo? It's more like a modernised Huey - ie light transport. If fitting it with Hellfires make it a killer, then what about fitting Hinds-F then?

 

[aaaditya]

Re: indian army news

In what ways is it considered a killer combo? It's more like a modernised Huey - ie light transport. If fitting it with Hellfires make it a killer, then what about fitting Hinds-F then?

well the bell407 is smaller,lighter,can fly higher and faster can carry troops if required,and most importantly it has the hellfire missile(without any doubt one of the best in the world)

 

[aaaditya]

Re: indian army news

here is some news about the indo-us army excercises in mizoram.

Third Indo-US joint army exercise in Mizoram soon


The third joint exercise of the Indian Army and the United States Army will take place from September 12 to September 27, at the Counter Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School (CIJW) in Mizoram.

The exercise will be aimed at increasing the inter operability between the armed forces of the two countries, as also assisting in fostering a greater bond between India and the United States.

According to the Indian Army, the US forces are keen to learn from the Indian Army’s experience in counter insurgency operations in Jammu and Kashmir and the Northeastern states over the last half a century.

The US team will be arriving in Kolkata on September 10 and will be leaving for CIJW, via Silchar in Assam on September 12. The team will be returning to the city on September 29, and will leave for America the day after. An American delegation led by Lieutenant General John Brown, commander general of the US ARPAC, will also be visiting the CIJW on September 16 and 17.

Apart from the US, CIJW also trains officers and personnel of friendly nations, including Afghanistan, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Mauritius, Singapore, South Africa, Myanmar, Iraq, Ghana, Botswana and Kazakhstan.

:coffee

 

[webmaster]

Re: indian army news

Aaaditya, here is the ACTUAL link to the above story:

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=147717

Please try to post the actual link from where the news was copied. I think, I have mentioned this too many times now, next time I won't mention it.

 

[aaaditya]

Re: indian army news and discussions

seems indian army is getting hyperactive:

Joint exercises planned with leading foreign armies


Special Correspondent

To act as diplomatic tool for pursuing national security strategies



Major plans with Russian, French, U.S. armies
Low-level exercises, joint training planned with Singapore, Mongolia and Uzbekistan
<LI>Foreign defence attaches to inspect a desert warfare exercise in November



NEW DELHI: The Army has planned a busy schedule of joint exercises with some of the leading armies of the world as part of its newly formulated strategy of using such interaction as a diplomatic tool for pursuing national security strategies.

Thus, for the time, Indian troops will rub shoulders with Russian special forces in the deserts of Rajasthan, conduct mock assaults from the sea with French soldiers and train with Americans here and abroad. In addition, low-level exercises and joint training are planned with soldiers from Singapore, Mongolia and Uzbekistan.

`Desert Strike'



The Army will also showcase its firepower to foreign defence attaches, including for the first time a representative from China, at an exercise by a mechanised division codenamed "Desert Strike" in November. "We will let other countries know how the Indian Army operates in the deserts," said an informed source.

The joint exercises have as their basis certain tenets outlined by the Chief of Army Staff J. J. Singh to broaden the scope of defence cooperation with other countries. Army-to-army cooperation, he has instructed, must be used as a tool to increase national security. The aim would be to engage world powers and friendly nations in the immediate neighbourhood.

Cooperation cell



A defence cooperation cell in the Army headquarters has been made the nodal agency for formulating defence cooperation policy in coordination with the Defence Ministry and the Foreign Office.

In addition, there is added emphasis on joint exercises with the U.S. as the Army is regularly interacting with U.S. Special Forces, National Guards and regular troops. Although the former Army chief, S. Padmanabhan, has called the current series of India-U.S. military exercises as "low level" and "purposeless," the Army is preparing for a wide range of cooperation in keeping with the recently signed 10-year India-U.S. defence framework agreement. These include high-level interaction, company-level exercises and attending courses. "We are the only Army to have been involved in the entire gamut of operations. Other countries want to learn minor tactics we have imbibed from our experience while we get acquainted with technically advanced equipment," said an informed source. "
http://www.hindu.com/2005/09/19/stories/2005091912270100.htm

indian army is also to become active in central asia.

 

[manupubby]

PINAKA MBRLs

The MBRLs are getting the much needed range enhancement which may make them competitive for the global market. Check out :
ARDE adding lethal touch to Pinaka rockets

Multi-barrel rocket launches to be upgraded to 120-km range, 250-kg payload
Express News Service
Pune, September 14: A sleek 7.2 meter long rocket flying over 120 km with a warhead containing 250 kg of explosives can cause a lot of damage deep into enemy territory. Followed by 11 others in a span of just 44 seconds, it converts a 3.9 sq km enemy area into shredded cottage cheese.

While the Army already has the indigenous Pinaka Multi-Barrel Rocket Launchers (MBRLs) which can fire a salvo of 12 unguided rockets with a 100 kg payload to a maximum distance of 40 km, the Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) has now started work on enhancing its range to 120 km and increasing the payload to 250 kg.

The design plan for the upgraded Pinaka rocket has already been prepared and a team of senior DRDO scientists have started work, says A S Rajagopal, Director, ARDE. The upgraded rockets, which may be ready only by 2012, will compete with the Russian SMERCH, Chinese WS-1 B and Israeli EXTRA multi barrel rocket systems.

The new rocket will have a maximum speed of 4.7 mach and will rise to an altitude of 40 km before hitting its target at a devastating 1.8 mach. To enhance its range, a unique dual thrust system will be used in which the initial thrust at time of launch will be reduced substantially during flight time.

There is also a move to put a guidance system on the rockets. ‘‘We are moving to a time where most rockets will get guided some way or the other. But the only constraint is the prohibitive cost of the control mechanism,’’ said KVSS Prasad Rao, Chief Controller (R&D), DRDO headquarters.

But cost is something on ARDE’s mind too. The indigenous Pinnaka MRBLs will cost Rs 10 lakh per rocket against the imports which range from Rs 70-80 lakh per rocket.

However, with such long-range striking capability, the armed forces will also need support systems like UAV’s and communication equipment which can provide real-time target information. The DRDO also has plans to integrate these systems with the enhanced Pinaka MBRLs.

DRDO is also looking for support from private companies and academic research organisations to develop the product. ‘‘There is a plan for a mega project where armament labs will synergise with private companies and academicians,’’ says Dr Harihar Singh, Director of Armaments, DRDO.

 

[manupubby]

PINAKA MBRLs

The MBRLs are getting the much needed range enhancement which may make them competitive for the global market. Check out :
ARDE adding lethal touch to Pinaka rockets

Multi-barrel rocket launches to be upgraded to 120-km range, 250-kg payload
Express News Service
Pune, September 14: A sleek 7.2 meter long rocket flying over 120 km with a warhead containing 250 kg of explosives can cause a lot of damage deep into enemy territory. Followed by 11 others in a span of just 44 seconds, it converts a 3.9 sq km enemy area into shredded cottage cheese.

While the Army already has the indigenous Pinaka Multi-Barrel Rocket Launchers (MBRLs) which can fire a salvo of 12 unguided rockets with a 100 kg payload to a maximum distance of 40 km, the Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) has now started work on enhancing its range to 120 km and increasing the payload to 250 kg.

The design plan for the upgraded Pinaka rocket has already been prepared and a team of senior DRDO scientists have started work, says A S Rajagopal, Director, ARDE. The upgraded rockets, which may be ready only by 2012, will compete with the Russian SMERCH, Chinese WS-1 B and Israeli EXTRA multi barrel rocket systems.

The new rocket will have a maximum speed of 4.7 mach and will rise to an altitude of 40 km before hitting its target at a devastating 1.8 mach. To enhance its range, a unique dual thrust system will be used in which the initial thrust at time of launch will be reduced substantially during flight time.

There is also a move to put a guidance system on the rockets. ‘‘We are moving to a time where most rockets will get guided some way or the other. But the only constraint is the prohibitive cost of the control mechanism,’’ said KVSS Prasad Rao, Chief Controller (R&D), DRDO headquarters.

But cost is something on ARDE’s mind too. The indigenous Pinnaka MRBLs will cost Rs 10 lakh per rocket against the imports which range from Rs 70-80 lakh per rocket.

However, with such long-range striking capability, the armed forces will also need support systems like UAV’s and communication equipment which can provide real-time target information. The DRDO also has plans to integrate these systems with the enhanced Pinaka MBRLs.

DRDO is also looking for support from private companies and academic research organisations to develop the product. ‘‘There is a plan for a mega project where armament labs will synergise with private companies and academicians,’’ says Dr Harihar Singh, Director of Armaments, DRDO.

http://cities.expressindia.com/archivefullstory.php?newsid=148677&creation_date=2005-09-15

 

[manupubby]

Re: indian army news and discussions

Integrated Soldier System’ a step ahead



Pune, September 14: THE Army has moved one step closer to getting a futuristic ‘Integrated Soldier System’ for its infantry as the project proposal sent by Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) has been reviewed by the Army headquarters and a high-level committee headed by a senior infantry officer will be visiting the establishment later this month to give its inputs.

The delegation, led by a Director General (DG) level officer, has scanned the project report (sent three months ago by ARDE) for ‘loopholes’ and will present suggestions and requirements for the soldier system to make the project ‘concrete’, says ARDE director A S Rajagopal.

Once the project is cleared by the Army, ARDE scientists will start developing the various components needed for the soldier system and the kit will be ready for use within three years.

‘‘All the technology needed is already available with India in different institutions. It just has to be integrated as a system and here the ARDE will play a coordinating role,’’ explains Rao.

The various components needed like the helmet-mounted heads-up display (HUD) and the carbine (fitted with a grenade launcher) are already available with India. CSIO, Chandigarh has developed the HUD for fighter planes while the ARDE developed INSAS carbine will soon be undergoing user trails. The software needed for adding GPS system and communication gear is also available within the country.

As Rao says, only an effort to ‘integrate’ the knowledge is required.

The System
The Integrated Soldier System is a project developed by the ARDE wherein each infantry soldier is equipped to function as an individual self-contained system. The soldier is equipped with a carbine fitted with a grenade launcher, fully protective clothing (flak jackets and light armour) and a helmet mounted display with GPS integration. The idea is to enable the soldier to act independently by receiving direct instructions and feedback from a central command unit.

http://cities.expressindia.com/archivefullstory.php?newsid=148687&creation_date=2005-09-15

 

[aaaditya]

Re: indian army news and discussions

Integrated Soldier System’ a step ahead



Pune, September 14: THE Army has moved one step closer to getting a futuristic ‘Integrated Soldier System’ for its infantry as the project proposal sent by Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) has been reviewed by the Army headquarters and a high-level committee headed by a senior infantry officer will be visiting the establishment later this month to give its inputs.

The delegation, led by a Director General (DG) level officer, has scanned the project report (sent three months ago by ARDE) for ‘loopholes’ and will present suggestions and requirements for the soldier system to make the project ‘concrete’, says ARDE director A S Rajagopal.

Once the project is cleared by the Army, ARDE scientists will start developing the various components needed for the soldier system and the kit will be ready for use within three years.

‘‘All the technology needed is already available with India in different institutions. It just has to be integrated as a system and here the ARDE will play a coordinating role,’’ explains Rao.

The various components needed like the helmet-mounted heads-up display (HUD) and the carbine (fitted with a grenade launcher) are already available with India. CSIO, Chandigarh has developed the HUD for fighter planes while the ARDE developed INSAS carbine will soon be undergoing user trails. The software needed for adding GPS system and communication gear is also available within the country.

As Rao says, only an effort to ‘integrate’ the knowledge is required.

The System
The Integrated Soldier System is a project developed by the ARDE wherein each infantry soldier is equipped to function as an individual self-contained system. The soldier is equipped with a carbine fitted with a grenade launcher, fully protective clothing (flak jackets and light armour) and a helmet mounted display with GPS integration. The idea is to enable the soldier to act independently by receiving direct instructions and feedback from a central command unit.

http://cities.expressindia.com/archivefullstory.php?newsid=148687&creation_date=2005-09-15

i believe it is known as f-insas or future indian soldier as a system ,and usa is collaborating in this project.
also i believe that it is not the hud(head up display) which is quite heavy but a hmd(helmet mounted display)which the soldiers would be using ,these helmet mounted displays may be of either israeli or us origin.

 

[ashblackhawk]

Re: indian army news and discussions

i believe it is known as f-insas or future indian soldier as a system ,and usa is collaborating in this project.
also i believe that it is not the hud(head up display) which is quite heavy but a hmd(helmet mounted display)which the soldiers would be using ,these helmet mounted displays may be of either israeli or us origin.

I dont believe there is any collaboration of Indian army with US in these projects. The only US made thing can be microprocessor chips in handheld devices which we dont have the capability to fabricate apart from that nothing US, I have seen these products made by DRDO 2 years back. No israeli collaboration either in these projects as far as i know atleast 3 years back.
Cheers,

 

[vedang]

Re: indian army news and discussions

I Have Heard That Israelis Have Integrated A Missile Named "lahat" As One Of The Weapons Of Arjun Any Idea??

 

[vedang]

Re: indian army news and discussions

Heard That Indian Army Is Providing Israelis With Financial Assistance To Develop Something Called "lora" (stands For Long Range ...?) Missiles Which Are To Be Used In A Tactical Role In A War With Range Around 300km. Why Not Use Brahmos??

Rumour Also There That Army Doesnt Prefer Inducting Brahmos.... Any Reasons

 

[aaaditya]

Re: indian army news and discussions

Heard That Indian Army Is Providing Israelis With Financial Assistance To Develop Something Called "lora" (stands For Long Range ...?) Missiles Which Are To Be Used In A Tactical Role In A War With Range Around 300km. Why Not Use Brahmos??

Rumour Also There That Army Doesnt Prefer Inducting Brahmos.... Any Reasons

yes both the news are true the defenceupdate forum has an image of the arjun firing the lahat,the lahat has a range of 6-8kms tank fired and upto 12 kms when fired from alh dhruv ,the lahat stands for laser homing anti tank and it is a laser guided missile ,the laser guidance can be provided by a designator mounted on an armoured vehicle or a helicopter or by a soldier.this missile hade to be coated with a thin layer of rubber which burns off before the missile leaves the gun barrel so that it can be fired from the arjun's 120mm rifled gun.(www.acig.org,www.defence-update.com),the report about lora is also true the lora was selected ion favour of the rissian iskandar-e missile,the lora is believed to be a hybrid of a cruise and ballistic missiles (dont know what that means).lora stands for long range artillery.

 

[vedang]

Re: indian army news and discussions

thanks for the previous reply. by the way any idea about the T-72 upgrade? also want to know when the weapon armed dhruvs will be inducted. have they passed user trials?
any idea when will army start inducting the indegenously developed weapon locating radars.also any idea about the user trials of the "nag" missile
hope u wont mind answering so many doubts

 

[aaaditya]

Re: indian army news and discussions

thanks for the previous reply. by the way any idea about the T-72 upgrade? also want to know when the weapon armed dhruvs will be inducted. have they passed user trials?
any idea when will army start inducting the indegenously developed weapon locating radars.also any idea about the user trials of the "nag" missile
hope u wont mind answering so many doubts

the user trials of nag have been successfully completed and the missile has been cleared for production (though the production has,nt started yet at the bdl).
weapons integration of alh has been completed(though i have no idea when it will be incorporated on the indian army fleet).
about 600 t-72's are to upgraded under the project rhino with the polish drawa fire control system(there is an excellent article on this at www.bharat-rakshak.com),the indegenously developed battle field surveillance radar has been inducted,but the wlr is still in development(www.bel-india.com)

 

[vedang]

Re: indian army news and discussions

heard that arjunmk2 is going to be among the best in the world. any idea when it is coming out???by the way thanks for the link,found everything in it