in brutal terms, the escorts have a job to either kill or soak
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the re-engineering makes it almost pointless if not worthless. there is just not the capacity in the existing hulls to do it unless you sacrifice other capabilities and/or bunkerage.
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Agree as to VLS but under the "distributed lethality" CONOPS it would not be beyond reality to install ASuMs in deck canisters on some of the support ships if the SHTF.
yep. the modular containers model can work, but its still going to be an issue about real estate.
the response and defence range ring can also be by enhancing weapons capability on organic air.
as long as they get their schitt together on unified comms, and a fleet variance of JTRS then a RAN version of distributed lethality is a real possibility
Mk-56 VLS was designed for just this which is why the Danes have used it with their Stanflex system. Basically you get a 12 ESSM load out per self contained pallet.
I believe Japan used the Mk-56 VLS as well.
on an established build you'd still have to be concerned about real estate impact, accessability to other ship functions
not saying it can't be done, but post fitouts to play self defence catchup are always integration nirvana for a contractor, eyes have to be wide open when the good idea faeries come calling and get in front of senior sirs....
For ships taken up from trade there is also the issue of power supply. Merchant ships are only required to have sufficient generating capacity to keep given services (not all) operating with one gen set on standby. Most merchant ship operators are not going to invest in addtitional power and infrastructure if there is no economic benefit...... particularly in today's market.
However 'packaged' systems such as SeaRAM or Phalanx with associated power packs could be fitted on STUFT ships given the integrated sensors ...... but this is still not a cheap option and may still not be easy. Soft kill may be a better option.
For lower tier vessels (such as the the OPV) something like SeaRAM (and I am not assuming we are getting these) or Phalanx (I do prefer the former) appears to be a reasonable option to provide a self defence capability provided the top weight issues do not preclude it.
Cheer's for all the replies guys, If i've got it right larger military vessel's technically capable but not worthwhile if they werent specifically designed to allow for those system's to be fitted from the get go due to most real estate already being alocated to various functions.
Civilian vessel's lacking the power to run such systems and I'd hazard a guess would be no short fit out trying to throw a Mk56 and CEAFAR onto a civilian ship in an emergency situation not to mention all the other required systems.
Oh well was a nice fairy idea
On topic of Phalanx and SeaRam.. do we have any details on the accuracy of each system?
Civilian vessel's lacking the power to run such systems and I'd hazard a guess would be no short fit out trying to throw a Mk56 and CEAFAR onto a civilian ship in an emergency situation not to mention all the other required systems.
Oh well was a nice fairy idea
On topic of Phalanx and SeaRam.. do we have any details on the accuracy of each system?
as before, I have an over arching concern about degradation risk by taking real estate from other important reqs, its a non trivial exercise by some margin
larger ships have a broader larger degree of fat inherently available due to their size, but ultimately its a risk management issue, someone has to do the engineering broader dimensions analysis for everything that impacts above the centreline and COG
containerised gensets + the weapons packs are signficant weight and balance influencers - there's only so much accessible real estate available - and they're not all in ideal locs, they're locs of availability rather than being in the most effective loc to do their job. thats not an insignificant head scratcher that has to be considered no matter how much an engineering contractor would be keen to get the job.
not RAN, but maritime implications
Joint Industry Project to Develop LNG-Fueled Capesize Bulk Carrier for Australia-China Trade – gCaptain
Joint Industry Project to Develop LNG-Fueled Capesize Bulk Carrier for Australia-China Trade – gCaptain
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Interesting site. Also on this site is an article about the effect of export LNG on domestic pricing in Australia and the US. Without proper pipeline infrastructure this is not an issue for Canada, just another business opportunity lost.
LNG Exports - Is Australia The Worst-Case Scenario? – gCaptain
USN replace blue cams with green.
Lets hope RAN (and RAAF) replace their technicolour "cams" with a less lurid, and more conventional colour.
https://www.navytimes.com/articles/...tm_term=Editorial - Navy - Daily News Roundup
Lets hope RAN (and RAAF) replace their technicolour "cams" with a less lurid, and more conventional colour.
https://www.navytimes.com/articles/...tm_term=Editorial - Navy - Daily News Roundup
they're not green, I saw some canadians out at Russell the other day - they stood out like a tree in the middle of the desert because of the brightness of their cams
Quite challenging give the realestate that LNG fuel tanks take up and how much you need for a log voyage. Work on conformal Membrane tanks will help but it is still going to cut into cargo volume ........ however, the sulphur cap is a definite motivator.
I have never understood the concept of cams for the navy anyway. After all you are on a ship.
If anything the uniforms should have bright and lurid colours. If you find yourself in the ocean and in need of rescue those bright and lurid coloured uniforms might help save your life.
The #8 working dress of blue dungarees with blue shirt (replaced by greyish shirt) was a good rig. It's replacement of grey King Gee combination overalls was even better. Easy to maintain, comfortable, practicable and made from no sweat cotton. I can't really understand why this was changed to blue cam. Who needs cammo uniforms . Maybe a case of follow the USN.
Stains don't show up as much on the grey / black cams as any equivalent solid colour meaning a longer useful life for the items. The two piece design is also very practical in the tropics as the shirt can be easily removed to work in just the t-shirt underneath in the heat, much better than the tucked in hi vis, or white overalls, I had to wear when working side by side with the crews.
I must admit when I first saw the cams I thought they looked ridiculous but now I am used to them and not only see there usefulness and practicality but actually appreciate them aesthetically.
I must admit when I first saw the cams I thought they looked ridiculous but now I am used to them and not only see there usefulness and practicality but actually appreciate them aesthetically.
The military need's camouflage, not colourflage
While they may be useful in locating a person that has fallen over board in peacetime if it is in a conflict and you have men and women in the water you don't exactly want them standing out to the enemy.
Actually it can be quite hard difficult someone in the water utilising the Mk 1 eyeball so unless they have some item with a colour that has a sharp contrast with the background then they won't necessarily stick out. safety of your personnel at sea regardless of it being peace or wartime is very important so you will make spotting that person at sea in the water important. If people are participating in an on deck or flight evolution that is hazardous then they will be wearing life jackets, but if some just happens to fall overboard during a sailing then spotting them and keeping them in sight is paramount. No western navy is willingly going to abandon sailors to float and die in the oggy after they have fallen over the side.The military need's camouflage, not colourflage
While they may be useful in locating a person that has fallen over board in peacetime if it is in a conflict and you have men and women in the water you don't exactly want them standing out to the enemy.
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