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t68

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There seems to be some conjecture of the material state of HMAS Choules on anther site, I was under the impression she was in fairly good condition. That report would have been pre refit, does any one see any long term problems here.

http://www.ran-skilledhands.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10021/Largs_Bay.pdf

Quote from diffrent source,
"Having read the Chief Engineer's Supersession Report and being an ex Fleet Staff WOMT in the days of Westralia, Protector, Wallaroo and Bandicoot, let me assure you this bucket of problems makes the earlier mentioned vessels to be absolute gems!"
 
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ThePuss

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There seems to be some conjecture of the material state of HMAS Choules on anther site, I was under the impression she was in fairly good condition. That report would have been pre refit, does any one see any long term problems here.

http://www.ran-skilledhands.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10021/Largs_Bay.pdf

Quote from diffrent source,
"Having read the Chief Engineer's Supersession Report and being an ex Fleet Staff WOMT in the days of Westralia, Protector, Wallaroo and Bandicoot, let me assure you this bucket of problems makes the earlier mentioned vessels to be absolute gems!"
An Engineers report is exactly that i,E he identifies issues that need to be rectified which im sure the majority have been done in her very recent major overhaul. Yes we will probably have to look into the revised funnel arrangement at some stage but If a respected naval surveying company say this ship is being delivered to us in a good state, in willing to accept that....after all it's THEIR reputation (They would of been paid the same to say Largs was a lemon).

And come on at the end of the day WE NEED HER, I,e we only have Tobrokun and rented Civy ships left, Plus she is the perfect vessel to gain the skill sets we need in operating a dock and an electric propulsion ship
 

aussienscale

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RANT ON

God this crap really irk's me, if you really want to you can pick the shit out of anything, get any one of these idiots to bring their daily drive or weekend pride and joy over and I can come up with a list of defects that they never, ever, even suspected was either there or would possibly be running to the brink, overheating, not quit running right, needs a bit of a service but still running ok and within guidlines etc etc etc. Let me come around to your house that you are paying off and let me pick the crap out of that and give you the bill to rectify all the problems !! This is just the usual people taking shit out of context to try and make something out of it to get themselves some air and print time for their misguided pathetic ego's !!

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ASSAIL

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For the benefit of the naysayers! Choules is a "new" ship, albeit first of class, who has just completed her first major refit after two trans ocean, lengthy deployments . She has just been to Portland and completed work up with FOST. Almost immediately she has steamed approx 500 hrs to Capetown, 250 hrs of which were through the tropics. Less than 48 hrs later she is on her way to Freo thru the Great Southern Ocean having refuelled and restored (the S.Africans must be super at defect rectification)!
Does anyone really believe that the Brits have no faith in the functionality of these ships or that they wanted her gone? Listen to the collective wringing of hands on this forum! Sure, there may be some mods to be done as she settles into the RAN but let's celebrate. This is a coup for us, a relief for the clapped out hard working amphibs and a wonderful training opportunity to ease into the LHD's.
 

swerve

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Good grief! She was in RFA service & operating satisfactorily, with nary a murmur of any problems, until the RAN bought her. She's not a rustbucket which has been worked to near destruction for decades then left to moulder at anchor for years, she's a fully functional, fairly new ship.

As Assail says, she's sailing to Oz with no sign of trouble. There were some posts here from a matelot aboard her until just before she set sail for Fremantle, & he seems to think she's great.
 

l0cKd0wn-UnIt

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Okay, simply put, is there any new news on the RAN's future 12 submarine project and if so what is it; specifications, design, propulsion, etc :)

cheers! :D
 

ThePuss

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This vessel will be a great assets for the RAN and as unfortunate it is for the RN/RFA we are VERY luck to get her. The only problem I have is her horrendous name, HMAS "I happened to live a very long time and just happened to die recently"

No Disrespect to CPO Choules I volunteered to be in his honor guard, he put many many valuable years of service in to the RN and the RAN but this vessel should of been called HMAS Miline Bay.....Just like the navy was going to call her
 

Astute

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I dont believe that the project has even started the preliminary design yet, the RAN probably will not see the first boat untill late 2020s 2030s and it could be later than that ,Thats if Australia go for there own design some sort of collins 2. I also dont think the RAN will ever get the 12 new boats , which was the plan .

I guess the propulsion will be G-E as nuclear would be very hard to swallow and much more expensive to develope , but if they opt to try for a nuclear design they could go for one which is all ready in production like asking the US for a deal for a few Virginia class boats or the UK for there Astute class .This option is very doubtful as both are nuclear powered and crewing these types of boats would be a problem as new capabilities would be needed to be learnt but im sure the USN or the RN would help with this but over all could prove costly as a project, but at the end of the day you would have a 1st class attack sub which are fast with nearly unlimited range, stealthy and has alot of world beating capabilities just what you need with the future looking a bit cloudy in the asia-pacific,

There is also the option of buying spanish,german or even french or japanese G-E boats which you could buy off the peg but there could be problems incorperating systems which the RAN uses or plans to use in the future, but this could save money and you could get them in the water alot quicker. but i guess only time will tell.
 
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t68

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A lot of the smaller problems would have been fixed under refit, but there appears to be some items which would not be so easily rectified. Like anything mechanical if you know of certain faults you will have mechanical sympathy for her and treat her in a fashion to minimize the problems, all I was asking from that list is their any thing that will cause long term problems for the RAN there appears some design issue’s that carry over to all ship in the class and I am sure when the RN have come up with a fix they will let the RAN know and vice versa.

I am not knocking the ship far from it, we have paid a bargain basement replacement price for a badly needed amphibious asset one we could not have got into service any quicker any other way. But like any vessel belong to any Navy there not going to shout out to the media of major problems but find it under FOI laws.


HMAS Milne Bay. I like the sound of that, even rolls of the tongue better.
 

Abraham Gubler

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HMAS Milne Bay. I like the sound of that, even rolls of the tongue better.
Yep a great victory for the Australian Army and RAAF. No RAN on hand but... They fled for Port Moresby. Also since this was a text book case of how to DEFEAT an amphibious landing I'm not sure would be so appropiate for an amphibious landing ship...
 

Milne Bay

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Yep a great victory for the Australian Army and RAAF. No RAN on hand but... They fled for Port Moresby. Also since this was a text book case of how to DEFEAT an amphibious landing I'm not sure would be so appropiate for an amphibious landing ship...
Interestingly, my dad fought at Milne Bay and if memory serves, he was transported there on the original Kanimbla.
Cheers
MB
 

StevoJH

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A lot of the smaller problems would have been fixed under refit, but there appears to be some items which would not be so easily rectified. Like anything mechanical if you know of certain faults you will have mechanical sympathy for her and treat her in a fashion to minimize the problems, all I was asking from that list is their any thing that will cause long term problems for the RAN there appears some design issue’s that carry over to all ship in the class and I am sure when the RN have come up with a fix they will let the RAN know and vice versa.
Doubtful, without knowing all that much about large ships, the exhaust upgrade would presumably help out significantly with the cooling issues, and the other issues seem like being fairly small problems that can be worked around until repaired when taken in the context of a 20,000t amphib.
 

alexsa

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Good grief! She was in RFA service & operating satisfactorily, with nary a murmur of any problems, until the RAN bought her. She's not a rustbucket which has been worked to near destruction for decades then left to moulder at anchor for years, she's a fully functional, fairly new ship.

As Assail says, she's sailing to Oz with no sign of trouble. There were some posts here from a matelot aboard her until just before she set sail for Fremantle, & he seems to think she's great.
Actually the report is quite encouraging as it identifies issues and notes solutions are being implemented. Hate to say this no large and complex structure is free from issue and are never perfect so continous improvment is the name of the game.

I suspect a number of the items oon this reprot would ahve been closed out at refit. If the WOMT was as knowledgible as he claims to be then comparisions with old and clapped out vessels would not be made.
 

l0cKd0wn-UnIt

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I dont believe that the project has even started the preliminary design yet, the RAN probably will not see the first boat untill late 2020s 2030s and it could be later than that ,Thats if Australia go for there own design some sort of collins 2. I also dont think the RAN will ever get the 12 new boats , which was the plan .

I guess the propulsion will be G-E as nuclear would be very hard to swallow and much more expensive to develope , but if they opt to try for a nuclear design they could go for one which is all ready in production like asking the US for a deal for a few Virginia class boats or the UK for there Astute class .This option is very doubtful as both are nuclear powered and crewing these types of boats would be a problem as new capabilities would be needed to be learnt but im sure the USN or the RN would help with this but over all could prove costly as a project, but at the end of the day you would have a 1st class attack sub which are fast with nearly unlimited range, stealthy and has alot of world beating capabilities just what you need with the future looking a bit cloudy in the asia-pacific,

There is also the option of buying spanish,german or even french or japanese G-E boats which you could buy off the peg but there could be problems incorperating systems which the RAN uses or plans to use in the future, but this could save money and you could get them in the water alot quicker. but i guess only time will tell.
thanks for that, I've been looking for some good information on this project. I reckon the RAN should buy some off-the-shelf Virginia Class subs, but modified slightly suited for Australian and surrounding waters, because that what's gave the collins a key advantage, because they were built for waters surrounding us and elsewhere. Just my only concern is that if we do, were are going to get the man power to crew the subs, its seems that is one of our biggest problems, just not mentioned much

thanks man :cool:
 

gf0012-aust

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I suspect a number of the items oon this reprot would ahve been closed out at refit. If the WOMT was as knowledgible as he claims to be then comparisions with old and clapped out vessels would not be made.

my BS meter is stratospheric at the moment re the other persons claims

1) the amount of pressure that the Minister and Chiefs (esp N) would have bought to bear to make sure we didn't have another Newport fiasco
2) the fact that there were 3 assessments done by various parties and then cross checked
3) the fact that the vessel is relatively young and it has been maintained
4) the fact that the problems I know of that exist have nothing to do with the claims made
5) comparing the choules with the current floating scrap is a comparison of convenience rather than one about capability benefits that Bill and Ben cannot and could not bring to the table...

so in short, I have more than a doubt about the claims and would assume that either he has taken things out of context or is a BS artist.
 

Kirkzzy

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Our new military strike force - The West Australian

Not sure whether to post this here or in the Army thread.

Australia is to get a powerful new fighting force akin to the US Marine Corps that will be able to launch amphibious assaults and carry out humanitarian missions across the region.

It is understood the Government will establish the equivalent of a US Marine Expeditionary Unit by 2016, training troops to conduct seaborne missions from large ships capable of carrying landing craft, tanks and attack helicopters.

The plan is to be rolled out as thousands of US marines are based in the Northern Territory, with Diggers to learn from the Americans the mechanics of deploying troops and equipment on beaches while under fire.

The Government will use the 3rd Royal Australian Regiment, stationed in Townsville, as the basis for the force, to be known as the Amphibious Ready Group.

Troops will be trained to operate from the two new Landing Helicopter Docks, the equivalent of small aircraft carriers each able to carry two Abrams tanks, Tiger attack helicopters and landing craft.

"This will be the most powerful amphibious force in the region bar none," a Defence source said.

Until recently, 3RAR was Australia's crack parachute regiment.

But it was stripped of its ability to launch airborne assaults and moved from NSW to Queensland under a major revamp of the Australian Defence Force.

It is currently preparing to deploy to Afghanistan and will begin training for its new role when it returns.

The plan for the creation of Australia's own marine assault force comes as neighbours in the region express caution about Prime Minister Julia Gillard's decision to allow 2500 US troops to be based in the NT for six months of the year.

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has suggested Australia allow Chinese troops on its soil to train alongside Diggers as part of efforts to promote understanding between Canberra, Beijing and the US.

Defence Minister Stephen Smith said yesterday that the idea had merit but pointed out that Australia already carried out some Defence exercises with China.

"We don't see it as something which would necessarily occur in the short term but it's a good suggestion, it's an interesting suggestion, it's a positive suggestion and one which I think in the longer term is good for serious consideration," Mr Smith said.

The first of Australia's two LHDs is due to begin service in 2013.
Scroll down to the comments for some laughs ;)

Although in all seriousness I thought they would have picked 2RAR for the role, anyone know why they might have gone with 3RAR?
 

Carolyn

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Good evening members.....
I have a daughter sailing on Choules. She did tell me that I could follow the ship but this is the only site I have been able to find where I could do that, so I thank you.]
She is enjoying the trip but will be very happy to get to home soil. I will be travelling down to Sydney to greet the ship, something I am very excited about, so once again, thanks again to the members...this is very informative, and I am enjoying the read.
 

gf0012-aust

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Good evening members.....
I have a daughter sailing on Choules. She did tell me that I could follow the ship but this is the only site I have been able to find where I could do that, so I thank you.]
She is enjoying the trip but will be very happy to get to home soil. I will be travelling down to SydnIey to greet the ship, something I am very excited about, so once again, thanks again to the members...this is very informative, and I am enjoying the read.
Welcome Carolyn, we aim to please. :)

One of the forum members is also on Choules, so we are looking forward to his views once he gets back...
 

gf0012-aust

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thanks for that, I've been looking for some good information on this project. I reckon the RAN should buy some off-the-shelf Virginia Class subs, but modified slightly suited for Australian and surrounding waters, because that what's gave the collins a key advantage, because they were built for waters surrounding us and elsewhere. Just my only concern is that if we do, were are going to get the man power to crew the subs, its seems that is one of our biggest problems, just not mentioned much

thanks man :cool:
cut and shut virginias are a (highly) unlikely option.

I'd be betting strongly that we won't be investing in spanish or german subs.

no decision has been made on a sub type although some prelim work has been done.
 

alexsa

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No Disrespect to CPO Choules I volunteered to be in his honor guard, he put many many valuable years of service in to the RN and the RAN but this vessel should of been called HMAS Miline Bay.....Just like the navy was going to call her
Amen to that. The only other option was really Jervis Bay
 
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