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I am a 15 year old female, plan on joining the U.S. Army, hate school, love music, motorcycles, and photography. I am happy to listen to opinions, but will have to watch my mouth. Any ideas of how i can tell my family i want to join? I'm desperate here, i need some help! :flame
 

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You're 15 so you have plenty of time to prepare them. Though I'm a pretty direct kind of guy, so when I decided to join I just went and told my parents.

Anyways. Welcome to DefenceTalk. Enjoy your stay.
 

wing fan

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Thanx, but i have been planning to join since i was 13! I figured i would have a plan by now! How did you tell your family? I will use any suggestions! I think the next time i get in an argument with anyone in my family, i might tell them then, but i don't know. I know someone in the Army, and i am friends with a recruiter's son. Just friends. So that is a big help to me. He used to be in the Air Force which would be my second option, but i will try the Army first. Thanx for listening!

-wing fan

P.S. Anyone here like hockey?
 

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@wing fan, welcome to DT. Go for lots of runs and hikes for fun before you enlist. IMHO, joining the army is a chance for intense self discovery. It will be good for you. :)

You're 15 so you have plenty of time to prepare them. Though I'm a pretty direct kind of guy, so when I decided to join I just went and told my parents.

Anyways. Welcome to DefenceTalk. Enjoy your stay.
@Feanor, I thought this bit of news will tickle you. Singapore now has at least one SAF officer of Russian origin, 2nd Lt Vasily Chuply. Evidently he is quite adapt with Hokkien expletives now (Fyi, Hokkein is not an official language - Mandarin is) and can now give foot drill commands in Malay. BTW, English is one of four official languages in Singapore (and our orders are given in English) but Malay is our National Language (and our National Anthem is in Malay). ;)
 
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wing fan

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Thanx OPSSG! One problem, i don't live near any mountains! What does your name stand for?

Feanor - Your location kinda gives me the creeps. That sounds like something me and my friend would make up. Where'd you come up with it?
 

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I am a 15 year old female, plan on joining the U.S. Army, hate school, love music, motorcycles, and photography. I am happy to listen to opinions, but will have to watch my mouth. Any ideas of how i can tell my family i want to join? I'm desperate here, i need some help! :flame
Hmm ... Your 15 and hate school. Is this the reason why you want to join the Army? or you just finished with the Modern Warfare 2 video game? or you watch Army Wives (TV series) a lot? What ever the case, I can assure you one thing. Once on the battle ground, especially in Afghanistan, you would fall in love with school for sure.

I'll suggest you give it a long thought. If you truly feel you should join the army then just tell your parents.
 

wing fan

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NO! Neither of those are the reason!

1st. I hate the Army Wives show, to dramatic.

2nd. I refuse to get Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 because there is a mission where you are the terrorists, and i won't do it!

3rd. No it is not because i hate school! I have to go to school so i have a backup plan, just incase the military won't accept me because i've had too many injuries.

The reason is because I feel that i need to contribute to protecting my country, family, and shove it in the rest of the people that think I couldn't do it's faces! There also is a friend of mine that is in the Army and loves it, so i want to do what he did. NO! He is not someone I "like", he is a fried i met racing motorcycles.

I have made up my mind that i am going to join Army or Air Force or Navy, but i am not tough enough to join the Marines. I just can't find out how to tell my family. I have to tell my older sister before anyone, I tell her everything first. She helps me with everything, so she's got my trust.

Thanx again for the info!

- wing fan
 

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Feanor - Your location kinda gives me the creeps. That sounds like something me and my friend would make up. Where'd you come up with it?
My imagination can be a frightening place. Sufficed to say, some of my favorite movies of all times are the Hannibal Lecter trilogy.

By the way, the Marines aren't that tough (physically at least). I mean you have to be in decent shape and all. But from my experience, if you're healthy, not overweight, and have the motivation, you can do it. ;)

Now then, it looks like you have the beginnings of a plan. Tell your older sister first, and 1) get some feedback 2) gain some confidence and 3) enlist her help in prepping your parents for it.
 

wing fan

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Trust me, I have a very creative imagination. I have watched multiple Paris Island shows on the military channel, and the Marines have a more intense boot camp. Let's put it that way. I do have the motivation, i just don't know how to tell the family.

I have told some friends, but they don't like that idea. So my friends can just kiss my butt! I am joining by all means, unless they don't accept me. That's the only problem with being a physical kid. You tend to crash a lot when it is raining, and you have bad tires on a motorcycle.

And when you play a game where you try to push each other off of the trampoline, you get very many bruises! Same with extreme dodge-ball!

Well i'll be back on first thing in the morning!

C-Ya!

-wing fan
 

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Hmph. I graduated from MCRD San Diego in September, and though it wasn't physically demanding enough... :)

Physical injuries wise, talk to a recruiter. They can tell you exactly what the standards and requirements are.
 

wing fan

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Yeah, you know, having sprain my ankle about 8 times might not be very helpful! Another thing i have to work on is good posture. I have ridden motorcycles all my life, and you have to lean forward, so i got used to sitting that way. Now I can't sit without thinking about my posture, and whether my back is going to get stuck that way! :rolleyes: I hope not, or i will get in trouble! I sit "like a fat man" is what my mom says!

I have someone who used to be in the Air Force that i talk to but haven't told him that i want to join yet. He keeps talking to me about benifits and what all you can do in the Military, so I'll tell him after my sister.

So i have somewhat of a plan, i just don't have the piece that holds it all together. Telling family.

- wing fan
 

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I have made up my mind that i am going to join Army or Air Force or Navy, but i am not tough enough to join the Marines.
- wing fan

Wing Fan, a former CO of mine was SAS (Special Air Service Regiment), and the 205th man to stand on top of Mt Everest. He was smaller than me and looked nothing like Arnold Schwazeneger (SP?) buildwise. In fact if you met the guy in the street you'd think he was an accountant or similar (no offence intended toward accountants). The movies make it seem as though to be a super soldier you need to be some sort of superhuman. In short, you don't. You do need a large degree of mental toughness, and belief in your own ability. Don't write yourself off from the Marines because you don't consider yourself 'tough enough'. Do some training (but take care of that ankle ( I had a weak one too) - the corps will give you the physical training it thinks you need, but it's a head start if you are fit before going.

One piece of advice before going, learn to have shorter toes and accept criticism, particularly constructive criticism. Bucking the system, questioning everything you are told and having an attitude will not make for an easy progress through any form of training, be it Navy Seal, USMC, US Army or training to be a greeter at WalMart.
 

wing fan

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You guys ROCK! you don't know how useful all of this info is to me! I already take harsh criticisim and love every second of it because it will make me better at whatever it is i am doing. I don't really know what you mean by "shorter toes", but it must be useful somehow! I already get yelled at for anything that i question, unless my questioning could stop us from doing something really stupid! Blowing up a metal bucket, perhaps? saved some butts on that one! suggested plastic, and someone listened! we all would have died if it weren't for questioning an idea!

I am trying really hard to get rid of my "attitude", but i am having troubles with that. I'll get there! eventually.

So i guess Marines are not totally out of the question. I am and have always been a very fit person. For the last year, i have been preparing myself for the food deprivation that you go through in boot camp.So i got that covered!

Be bak in a little-

-wing fan
 

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You don't go through food deprivation in boot camp... you just get less time to eat. Learn to eat fast, it's really not very hard, and you'll be fine. The only time we really were on restricted food was during the crucible, and even then the MREs we got were more then enough to last.
 

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Got It... i was mistaken. i thought the wrong thing, but i can't eat fast, so it must count for something?

Hey, is it a bad thing if your neck pops every time you bend it a certain way? What about your ankles when you walk around at night? curious.

What's the crucible? if i should know this by now, i am sorry, but i don't! :(

- wing fan :lam
 

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The crucible is a 54 hour field exercise at the end of USMC bootcamp. For those 54 hours you get 3 MREs and 8 hours of sleep. You do bunch of obstacle courses, a bunch of team events, some land navigation, and a ton of hiking (you cover something like 40 miles during the crucible). The after the crucible you do the reaper hike which starts at 2am and ends around iirc 7am, and is about 9 miles including climbing a ridiculous hill, called the reaper. You do the crucible with your day packs, and the reaper hike with your main pack (which is about 60-70 pounds).

The Army has something similar I think, but it's like a 24 hour thing, and not quite as cool.

I don't think popping sounds in your joints even matter. As long as you don't have any actual health issues. You will do medical screening at a MEPS, and you do have to disclose any medical conditions you have to your recruiter, when you fill out the paper work.
 

wing fan

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Thanx.

I know i can survive 24 hours on only 3.5 hours of sleep. I had to do that so i could work at a race-track, for twelve hour a day, for three days. So i can live off of little sleep and little food.

The one thing that i KNOW i will have problems with, is being yelled at and not being able to do anything or even show emotion.

Do you have to smile for anything in boot-camp? Because i don't do that very often. i hope that's not a problem. Just not a smiley person.

1 more question: Do they separate males and females in the Army boot-camp? I was just curious, because i though they did in the Army, but not the Marines, or something like that.

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The Marines separate males and females into different companies in boot. Also all females go to Paris Island. Where as males from the western half of the US go to MCRD San Diego. In Marine boot we weren't allowed to smile. Smiling would get you yelled at. And yes you do need to practice your stone face and thousand yard stare. ;) At least for Marines. Against can't speak for army. Also I wouldn't worry about the crucible or anything similar the army may have. For me (and most of my platoon) the crucible was the best part of boot.

Again, wouldn't worry about the food thing. After a couple of weeks you'll learn to eat fast.

For the most part boot camp kinda sucks, but isn't actually hard. I know when my recruiter told me it would be 90% mental and 10% physical inside my head I laughed. I figured the mental part can't be too hard, and the physical is what I need to prepare for. Trust me it's the other way around. The mental part is the part that sucks. Physical... I mean the hikes were kinda hard. But otherwise it's all pretty easy.
 

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The Marines separate males and females into different companies in boot. Also all females go to Paris Island. Where as males from the western half of the US go to MCRD San Diego. In Marine boot we weren't allowed to smile. Smiling would get you yelled at. And yes you do need to practice your stone face and thousand yard stare. ;) At least for Marines. Against can't speak for army. Also I wouldn't worry about the crucible or anything similar the army may have. For me (and most of my platoon) the crucible was the best part of boot.

Again, wouldn't worry about the food thing. After a couple of weeks you'll learn to eat fast.

For the most part boot camp kinda sucks, but isn't actually hard. I know when my recruiter told me it would be 90% mental and 10% physical inside my head I laughed. I figured the mental part can't be too hard, and the physical is what I need to prepare for. Trust me it's the other way around. The mental part is the part that sucks. Physical... I mean the hikes were kinda hard. But otherwise it's all pretty easy.
you were in the U.s Marines? I thought you were in the Russian military.
 
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