RMAF Future; need opinions

Systems Adict

Systems Adict

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Mr Ignorant said:
Well you would be. And if Malaysia had less, you'd be more pleased. And if the RMAF goes the New Zealand way, you'd celebrate.

So answer the question, why do you think 30 Air Superiority fighters in the RMAF right now is sufficient?

Do you think that our training is better than Singapore or Thailand? Is that what you're saying? So if our training is so good, why do we have an agreement with India for training our pilots? Is there a disparity or discrepancy there?

I'd like to know.
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Mr Ignorant, you seemed to grabbed a hold of the wrong end of a jagged, thorny stick !


I make my comments.... Everyone has their opinion, & is entitled to it. I choose to voice mine on here, so that others with GREATER knowledge than mine, can correct me if I'm wrong, or even add to the details I've provided, so that others can use the knowledge, hypothesize, or even add anecdotal evidence to corroborate some other comments elsewhere in the Forum.

My intention is not to inflame, or ridicule anyone.

To counter your comments, I don't see the RMAF reducing in size & I would be disheartened to see the last 20 years of progress being reversed.

I have never said that "X" amount of A/C is "Sufficient", but have stated many times that the RM Armed Forces are trying to grow logically, with a balanced budget.

From your comments I can only deduce that you're having a bad case of paranoia!

...But, you may still be correct, so I'll apologise in advance !



To comment on the Training, it appears to me that the RMAF is making use of facilities provided by India, that the RMAF may/may not have, or as part of some deal to further "special relations between sovereign nations".

However, I think it's more to do with the Fact that other than some of Russia's own former satellite nations, India, is one of the more friendly / less extremist countries who have a lot of Russian A/C & have the room & facilities to undertake this training. Yet another wise move by the RMAF !

The UK offers similar facilities using different types of A/C that both the UK & the following listed countries have in common.

Sweden, the USA, Canada, South Africa, Saudi Arabia & the UAE & possibly Malaysia (WRT the Hawks), amongst others.

Offering such services allows for cross training / dissimilar training & helps to hone pilot skills. Many of these facilities allow pilots from both countries to "share" techniques & experiences. Some of these training missions are organised Govt to Govt, although funds may change hands for the use of the facilities.

Such practices are not sinister & may explain legitimately why Malay pilots are going to India...

Does this answer your comments??

...or is it a last ditch attempt to keep your pilots qualified, as the Govt intends to "do a NZ", wrt the Air Force ??


Your thoughts...


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Red

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Thanks Red, I hadn't included them, as they're officially listed as trainers / stored A/C (=40 A4's Stored, =18 Trainers; Marchetti Trainers =30),
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Pleasure :) ,

Marchetti and Super Skyhawk trainers/light attack aircrafts wont be stored though as opposed to the Super Skyhawks in reserve storage. Singapore actually purchased around 120 skyhawks from the US. They were dirt cheap. Not really sure how many were converted to Super Skyhawk standard. Most put the figure at around 60-80. They are really good ground attack and overall capable aircrafts. That Singapore is still using them as trainers(after decades) is a testament to this fact. Not a hassle to make these aircrafts do light attack and COIN if required; especially if air superiority is achieved. Would be cheaper than flying F-15SGs/F-16s all the time I reckon. The Phillipines already use the Marchetti as light attack aircrafts. Meanwhile, the Super skyhawks are already configured in this role.

Just checked. The thais havent signed on the gripen yet. Depends on the new Thaksin-pro government. this would be interesting. Could they get another aircraft? But something for a new thread. Cheers
 
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Skyman

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ACM Chalit is now in Sweden and the contact will be signed today. PM Samak said he was already informed by ACM himself and he give the green light.

And several days ago, senior US officer just meet RTAF chief of staffs to discuess about the MLU program from Lockheed Martin on RTAF's F-16A/B/ADF along with weapon procurement which will be used in F-5, F-16MLU, and Gripen.

News release here.

Photo: http://img107.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/02/09/0095201-49ggxesc3.jpeg

ACM Ittipol Supawong, Chief of Staff of Royal Thai Air Force welcomed Major General jeffrey A. Remington, Director of Air, Space and Information Operations, Headquarters Pacific Air Forces, Hickam Air Force Base, Hawaii on 4 Feb 2008 to discuss about the Exercise Cope Tiger 08 and MLU program on F-16. They were also discussed about the procurement of weapon that would equipped with F-5, F-16, and Gripen.
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Hope this help. :)
 
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qwerty223

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Mr Ignorant said:
Qwerty,

State your position, and don't deflect the issue. Where is your thinking trying to take me to??? Exactly what are you saying??? Are you adding to the idiotic list of browbeating Malaysians and their puny airforce; or are you praising Singaporeans to the high heavens?? or are you just a compulsive scatter brain??? Or are you an ingrate???

FYI, for a world standard, we're not a "somewhere middle of the table". Try somewhere bottom of the league in ASEAN and furtively developing a dependence culture on our allies, like Singapore, for air superiority.

Tell me, what is wrong if the RMAF had 60-70 SU 30s MKM/Superhornets in the Air Force?

And while you're busy typing up another line of drivel, compare and contrast the one we have now; against the RSAF.

Tell me, why is a small nation state, no bigger than some of our smallest outer Islands, arming itself to the teeth with scores of F16s and 2 dozen F15s??

Can you think through that? BTW, how old are you? I hope I am not talking to a Budak berhingus-hingus
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LoL here again you start your attack.:D
it is very clear what am i trying to say, let me highlight your most stupid statements:
FYI, for a world standard, we're not a "somewhere middle of the table".
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Tell me, what is wrong if the RMAF had 60-70 SU 30s MKM/Superhornets in the Air Force?
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Tell me, why is a small nation state, no bigger than some of our smallest outer Islands, arming itself to the teeth with scores of F16s and 2 dozen F15s??
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Ok, we are not in the "middle class", but then you suggest 60-70? LOL! is like telling the navy MEKOs is too costly and order more Lekiu batch 2 instead. You should use some brain to figure out whats wrong. As of Singapore, why? well they are common sense too.
Before you learn your common sense, there is no discussion. ;)
 
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Red

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Just wanted to highlight that the Malaysian GDP is slightly bigger than Singapore's..
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Because you have a larger population. Singapore`s GDP/GNP per capita is about 3-4 times larger as compared to that of Malaysia.

There is no reason why the RMAF cannot afford 100 sukhois or hornets. Whether it actually does so or needs to do so is of course a different discussion altogether.

Australia has an economy 5 times the size of either Malaysia and Singapore and yet maintains an air force roughly the same size as Singapore. Such comparisons are meaningless
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True. It is meaningless as they are just numbers that do not take into account the relative circumstances of these countries.

A more meaningful but possibly less quantifiable way of comparing this is to really ask whether a country can afford such high expenditures for military equipment and technologies versus other priority areas such as housing, infrastructure development, financial development, economic development, etc. Even a typical African country can spend billions per annum on defence from thier yearly budgets. But can they afford it ? No. In Singapore`s case, the monies will probably go back into the reserves if we are`nt using them for our military. And we are still having huge surpluses in spite of this. We are already spending sufficiently or in many occasions more than usual(like in education.very high) in various sectors of the country per capita relative to other countries.
 
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Red

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ACM Chalit is now in Sweden and the contact will be signed today. PM Samak said he was already informed by ACM himself and he give the green light.

And several days ago, senior US officer just meet RTAF chief of staffs to discuess about the MLU program from Lockheed Martin on RTAF's F-16A/B/ADF along with weapon procurement which will be used in F-5, F-16MLU, and Gripen.
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Yay for the Thais. :D
 
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Tebuan

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weasel1962 said:
Got a list of 9 Mig-29 pilots (2 of which are from the 2 crashes)

Kol Lim Thian Hu (17 Sqn CO)
Lt Kol Sunthon Eh Kaue (12 Sqn CO)
Mej Sebastian Williams
Mej Fajim Jusfar Mohd Mustafa
Mej Mohamed Fauzi Dalleh
Kapt Philip Joseph Selvaraju
Kapt. Razali Ahmad
Kapt Yapp Syau Yin
Kapt. Roshaidi bin “G-Mon” Kamaruddin

The 12SQN CO reached 1,000 hours in a Mig-29 in 8 years and 1,400 flights (year 2005). This amounts to 125 hours per year and is the highest. The next highest were Mej Williams and Kapt Selvaraju who have exceeded 500 hours.

Below was an old but interesting article on the RMAF Mig-29N by a USAF pilot. Apparently, one gets to go on the Mig-29 only after 500 hours in an F-5.

http://www.sousaffs.org/FLarchives/FL-99Summ(2).pdf

My guess for flight time is something between 80-130 hours per year.
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80-130 hours a year is quite low. Can only guess that this attributable to :
a) lack of aircraft availability due to low serviceability rates
b) budgetary constraints preventing the Air Force from running up higher numbers.
Either way this is not a good situation. No use having fancy equipment if the pilots cannot train enough to truly exploit the capabilities of the equipment. Hope the situation changes at least for those flying the MKMs as the squadron matures and attain IOC status.
 
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alexz

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just curious, but it seems that the RNZAF MB-339CB's are actually still in New Zealand and not sold to a US private company. Can somebody confirm that? If that's the case, why isn't RMAF opening talks again regarding the RNZAF's MB339CB's ?
 
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swerve

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Investigator said:
The US State Department refuses to give NZ a yes or a no on the sale of the MB339's. Since the aircraft have "sensitive" US technology the US can block the sale forever (it seems like they will) as there is no right of appeal as far as I know. You'll find more on the NZ airforce thread. The moral of the story is don't xxxx off the americans if you have US military tech.

As someone said in another post - "you only rent US military technology". It was probably an Australian. They're everywhere.
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I wonder what's in an MB339 that's American and couldn't be replaced? Maybe it's just that it'd cost too much to replace any US kit.
 
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