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Singapore plans multiple rocket launcher, IFV acquisitions
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Weasel, I think you're missing Chinos point. If I understand him correctly, he's saying (& I agree), that the notion of forward defence had been formulated, & plans drawn up to put it into effect, before WW2. It was the agreed British strategy for the defence of Singapore. The fact that Percivals implementation of the strategy was poorly executed, whether due to his own weaknesses, Churchills intervention, the failings of his subordinates, or a combination of all these factors, does not invalidate what Chino says.
To what extent (if any) Singapores plans draw on pre-war British plans, I have no idea, except that they both envisage defending Singapore as far as possible from the island itself, but I'm sure that Singapores armed forces command has studied the Malaya campaign of 1941-42 in detail, & is well aware of what went wrong - and right - for the Commonwealth forces, & has taken both into account when drawing up its own plans.
To what extent (if any) Singapores plans draw on pre-war British plans, I have no idea, except that they both envisage defending Singapore as far as possible from the island itself, but I'm sure that Singapores armed forces command has studied the Malaya campaign of 1941-42 in detail, & is well aware of what went wrong - and right - for the Commonwealth forces, & has taken both into account when drawing up its own plans.
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A quote from an interview with Lee Kuan Yew. I guess basically saying what's been said by others in this thread, i.e. S'pore has to be on the offensive once attacked. Adopting a defensive tactic or being subjected to a siege is hopeless.....
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/29/asia/lee-excerpts.php
'....If there were no international law and order, and big fish eat small fish and small fish eat shrimps, we wouldn't exist. Our armed forces can withstand an attack and inflict damage for two weeks, three weeks, but a siege? (laughs).....'
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/29/asia/lee-excerpts.php
'....If there were no international law and order, and big fish eat small fish and small fish eat shrimps, we wouldn't exist. Our armed forces can withstand an attack and inflict damage for two weeks, three weeks, but a siege? (laughs).....'
The notion that our current (and much vaunted) "Forward Defence" policy was actually a British invention, admittedly will take a bit of time to accept.
(They lost, didn't they?)
I will not try to change your mind but do take some time to read the link Swerve posted.
(They lost, didn't they?)
I will not try to change your mind but do take some time to read the link Swerve posted.
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i dont think singapore will buy the launcher....
besides there is now direct agreement of the purchase...
but if theres 1 malaysian armed forces will fell an armed race going on between the 2 countries!!!
Ramjetmissile
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September 13, 2007
U.S. eyes $330 million artillery sale to Singapore
By Jim Wolf
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Defense Department said on Wednesday it was tentatively planning to sell Singapore advanced Lockheed Martin Corp artillery rocket systems that could cost as much as $330 million.
Singapore has asked to buy 18 M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System launchers complete with nine medium tactical vehicle 5-ton trucks, communications sets and 32 XM31 Unitary High Explosive GMLRS rockets, the Pentagon told Congress.
The system, known as HIMARS, is designed to defeat artillery, air defenses, trucks, light armour and personnel carriers.
It would give Singapore a highly effective military capability critical to deterrence and national defense, the Pentagon's Defense Security and Cooperation Agency said. It said the total value could be $330 million if all options were exercised.
HIMARS supplements traditional canon artillery by delivering high-volume firepower in a short time against time-sensitive targets, the notice to Congress said.
"The proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been, and continues to be, an important force for economic progress in Southeast Asia," the notice said.
On Aug. 24, the agency told Congress that Singapore was also seeking up to 84 precision-guided bombs for its F-15 fighter jet fleet as part of a military package valued at up to $200 million.
The notice of a potential sale is required by U.S. law. It does not mean a sale has been concluded. Congress retains the power to block a sale but rarely does so.
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U.S. eyes $330 million artillery sale to Singapore
By Jim Wolf
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Defense Department said on Wednesday it was tentatively planning to sell Singapore advanced Lockheed Martin Corp artillery rocket systems that could cost as much as $330 million.
Singapore has asked to buy 18 M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System launchers complete with nine medium tactical vehicle 5-ton trucks, communications sets and 32 XM31 Unitary High Explosive GMLRS rockets, the Pentagon told Congress.
The system, known as HIMARS, is designed to defeat artillery, air defenses, trucks, light armour and personnel carriers.
It would give Singapore a highly effective military capability critical to deterrence and national defense, the Pentagon's Defense Security and Cooperation Agency said. It said the total value could be $330 million if all options were exercised.
HIMARS supplements traditional canon artillery by delivering high-volume firepower in a short time against time-sensitive targets, the notice to Congress said.
"The proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been, and continues to be, an important force for economic progress in Southeast Asia," the notice said.
On Aug. 24, the agency told Congress that Singapore was also seeking up to 84 precision-guided bombs for its F-15 fighter jet fleet as part of a military package valued at up to $200 million.
The notice of a potential sale is required by U.S. law. It does not mean a sale has been concluded. Congress retains the power to block a sale but rarely does so.
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there is no such thing...the deal havent been clinch yet!
the only reason singapore doesnt wanna do this because an armed race will begin between singapore n malaysia!
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nobody said that a deal has been concluded. However, judging from past procurement pattern. Singapore mindef would usually give a second thought before making any requests so i must say that this planned procurements will eventually be a reality.
nobody said that a deal has been concluded. However, judging from past procurement pattern. Singapore mindef would usually give a second thought before making any requests so i must say that this planned procurements will eventually be a reality.If it is already reported by the Us Dept of Defense in such a form, it is most definitely a `yes'.
The XM31 Unitary High Explosive GMLRS rockets are based on the M30 Guided MRLS. The range has been said to be between 60-100 km. Most sites mention an effective range of above 70 km. The best thing about this rocket is that it is extemely accurate as opposed to normal MLRS rockets which are unguided.
As I`ve said in my last post, Singapore would operate the Himars more as a precision attack system rather than normal saturation artillery systems because of the large number of 155m tube artillery which Singapore already posseses.
One thing to note is that for 18 systems, Singapore is buying 36 rockets? I believe that there will be a separare order for additional rockets similar to the F-15s purchase whereby additional weapons were procured later. This would make things easier to swallow among Singapore`s immediate neighbours.
The other possibility is that Singapore might be putting Isreali guided rockets on the Himars with ranges of up to 150 km.
The XM31 Unitary High Explosive GMLRS rockets are based on the M30 Guided MRLS. The range has been said to be between 60-100 km. Most sites mention an effective range of above 70 km. The best thing about this rocket is that it is extemely accurate as opposed to normal MLRS rockets which are unguided.
As I`ve said in my last post, Singapore would operate the Himars more as a precision attack system rather than normal saturation artillery systems because of the large number of 155m tube artillery which Singapore already posseses.
One thing to note is that for 18 systems, Singapore is buying 36 rockets? I believe that there will be a separare order for additional rockets similar to the F-15s purchase whereby additional weapons were procured later. This would make things easier to swallow among Singapore`s immediate neighbours.
The other possibility is that Singapore might be putting Isreali guided rockets on the Himars with ranges of up to 150 km.
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You know Gary. I think you are right. There has been some confusion over the Strait Times report about the 9 5-tonners. But, if you read the report, it states that the deal is worth $330 million USD. That means that Singapore is buying everything as stated in the US Dept of Defense news release.
The launchers come complete with the pre-requisiste trucks carrying them.
A single M142 HIMARS system launcher consists of 1 missile pod mounted on a 5 tons 6x6 truck. Therefore, a Himars launcher would include the truck as well.
Hence, it would be 18 launchers in total plus the other items. The 9 5-tonners trucks are likely support vehicles to support the 18 Himars launchers.
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WASHINGTON, September 12, 2007 - The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Singapore of High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $330 million.
The Government of Singapore has requested a possible sale of
Major Defense Equipment (MDE)
18 M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) Launchers
32 XM31 Unitary High Explosive GMLRS Pods
30 M28A1 Multiple Launcher Rocket Systems (MLRS) Practice Rocket Pods
35 VRC-92E Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radios Systems (SINCGARS)
45 VRC-90E SINCGARS
35 VRC-990 Vehicular Radio Communications Sets
45 VRC-950 Vehicular Radio Communications Sets
9 M1084A1 Family of Medium Tactical Vehicles (FMTV) 5-Ton Trucks
1 M1089A1 Wrecker
Also included are support equipment, communications equipment, spare and repair parts, test sets, batteries, laptop computers, publications and technical data, personnel training and equipment, systems integration support, support services of a Quality Assurance Team and a Technical Assistance Fielding Team, United States (U.S.)
Government and contractor engineering and logistics personnel services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $330 million.
This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been, and continues to be, an important force for economic progress in Southeast Asia.
The HIMARS will enhance Singapore’s military capability by providing a highly effective indirect area fire artillery system that is critical to successful deterrence and national defense. HIMARS supplements traditional cannon artillery by delivering high volume firepower in a short time against time-sensitive targets. At shorter ranges, HIMARS complements tube artillery with heavy barrages against assaulting forces, counter-fire and defense suppression. Singapore will have no difficulty absorbing and integrating this system into its armed forces.
The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.
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http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2007/Singapore_07-48.pdf
The launchers come complete with the pre-requisiste trucks carrying them.
A single M142 HIMARS system launcher consists of 1 missile pod mounted on a 5 tons 6x6 truck. Therefore, a Himars launcher would include the truck as well.
Hence, it would be 18 launchers in total plus the other items. The 9 5-tonners trucks are likely support vehicles to support the 18 Himars launchers.
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WASHINGTON, September 12, 2007 - The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Singapore of High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $330 million.
The Government of Singapore has requested a possible sale of
Major Defense Equipment (MDE)
18 M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) Launchers
32 XM31 Unitary High Explosive GMLRS Pods
30 M28A1 Multiple Launcher Rocket Systems (MLRS) Practice Rocket Pods
35 VRC-92E Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radios Systems (SINCGARS)
45 VRC-90E SINCGARS
35 VRC-990 Vehicular Radio Communications Sets
45 VRC-950 Vehicular Radio Communications Sets
9 M1084A1 Family of Medium Tactical Vehicles (FMTV) 5-Ton Trucks
1 M1089A1 Wrecker
Also included are support equipment, communications equipment, spare and repair parts, test sets, batteries, laptop computers, publications and technical data, personnel training and equipment, systems integration support, support services of a Quality Assurance Team and a Technical Assistance Fielding Team, United States (U.S.)
Government and contractor engineering and logistics personnel services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $330 million.
This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been, and continues to be, an important force for economic progress in Southeast Asia.
The HIMARS will enhance Singapore’s military capability by providing a highly effective indirect area fire artillery system that is critical to successful deterrence and national defense. HIMARS supplements traditional cannon artillery by delivering high volume firepower in a short time against time-sensitive targets. At shorter ranges, HIMARS complements tube artillery with heavy barrages against assaulting forces, counter-fire and defense suppression. Singapore will have no difficulty absorbing and integrating this system into its armed forces.
The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.
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http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2007/Singapore_07-48.pdf
You sure the ATACMS is mentioned? I don't think so.
Well It did mention GPS guided rockets so IT may be ATACMS or may be the conventional air bursting type.