How Good is the J-10?

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There are many different opinions on how good the J-10 is compared to modern well known fighters like the Su-27,F-15C,Su-30. How does the J-10 match up in manuverability, avionics, and lethality.:unknown

Sorry if this thread is posted somewhere already, just tell me. :)
 
according to American sources, in terms of maneuverability J-10 out performs technological superior F-18 Super hornet! maneuverability is the only fear that Americans face.
Pakistan is the only J-10 customer so far. PAF is also planning to upgrade this plane with western technology and thrust vectoring engine, pakistan should then be apposing a threat to indian Su-30 mki. :D
 
yess said:
according to American sources, in terms of maneuverability J-10 out performs technological superior F-18 Super hornet! maneuverability is the only fear that Americans face.
Pakistan is the only J-10 customer so far. PAF is also planning to upgrade this plane with western technology and thrust vectoring engine, pakistan should then be apposing a threat to indian Su-30 mki. :D
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I believe you are right about it being able to out maneuver a F-18 Super Hornet. Read this before. I believe it too. However in a BVR combat situation the Hornet would win for sure. It DOES have better tech.

Thanks for all the responses :)
 
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XaNDeR said:
1 word : Russia
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Oh, I see. So from your logic which word should be used on US, then? Without the British there won't be any F-22s. Coz there won't be any jet engines. And without the British there won't be Nimizs. Coz CAT won't be invented. I guess without the Italian there won't be any USN subs, either. So if you use one word to describe PLA: Russian, then I shall give you at least two words for US: British and Italian! Wait a minute... who invented gun powder at the first place???

Sorry for being off the topic. I think from an interview with the chief designer of J-10. He said J-10 is a working progress. It will be improved over the years (just like any western and Russian fighters). So the very first J-10s shouldn't be that 'good'. But I'm sure it'll get improved gradually. Just give you reference point that the very first J-10s should be similar to F-16B/C (that's what the official said).
 
XaNDeR said:
1 word : Russia
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Russia gives everything good they have to ANYONE who will pay them $. China is no exeception. I think the J-10 tech. + design came from either Israel (Lavi) or Pakistan. (F-16) If they didn't get help, in time they would have developed it anyway. Their defense budget has grown very quickly to become the 2nd largest in the world and they would have had the money for the R&D because of this. :)
 
I really do think it will sell well internationally, but it will have a slow start.

I did not know the PAF ordered or plan to order the J-10, of course, i know the thunder was ordered, can anyone throw some light on this one for me.
 
kickars said:
Oh, I see. So from your logic which word should be used on US, then? Without the British there won't be any F-22s. Coz there won't be any jet engines. And without the British there won't be Nimizs. Coz CAT won't be invented. I guess without the Italian there won't be any USN subs, either. So if you use one word to describe PLA: Russian, then I shall give you at least two words for US: British and Italian! Wait a minute... who invented gun powder at the first place???

Sorry for being off the topic. I think from an interview with the chief designer of J-10. He said J-10 is a working progress. It will be improved over the years (just like any western and Russian fighters). So the very first J-10s shouldn't be that 'good'. But I'm sure it'll get improved gradually. Just give you reference point that the very first J-10s should be similar to F-16B/C (that's what the official said).
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We are allies, we like to help for common defence. Russia sells for the MONEY they don't really want to help China. Don't forget the Sino-Soviet split.

Enough with the off topic stuff I'll stop now. :)
 
Dr Phobus said:
I really do think it will sell well internationally, but it will have a slow start.

I did not know the PAF ordered or plan to order the J-10, of course, i know the thunder was ordered, can anyone throw some light on this one for me.
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Well as far as I know Pakistan has ordered about 30-36 of these fighters so fas and can order more if needed. But what upsets me is that the j-10 will not have the data link capability like the F-16s and eventually the JF-17 because Sweden and China refuse to work together:(

And can comeone tell me how good the avionics of the aircraft are?
 
I don't know about the avionics either, but my guess is that they will be around the level of the early F-16's or present mig 29s. And you are right about the data links. Nothing to feel sad about though.
 
J-10 is not state of the art , there are much better planes out there and it can certainly not compare to Eurofighter
 
J-10 is not state of the art , there are much better planes out there and it can certainly not compare to Eurofighter
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True. But I think your missing the point.

J-10 is a huge leap in capability for the PLAAF. Remember, its only 15 years ago that they stopped producing the F-6 - a very bad Mig-19 copy. Now they have a piece of kit that can challenge early-model F-16. At such pace, what next?

15 years ago, we were still developing Eurofighter. China has effectively skipped a generation of design with the J-10.
 
Izzy1 said:
Hard to say in comparison to those you list, especially given the West's lack of credible information on the J-10.

However, here is one of the better links on the web in regards to the J-10.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news095.htm
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That website is considered unreliable, and it's Venik's. The article is a hodge podge of articles plus a whole lot of invented speculation. If you like the information where US military papers and articles from think tanks often footnote to, go to Hui Tong's Chinese Military Aviation or to Sinodefence.
 
Izzy1 said:
True. But I think your missing the point.

J-10 is a huge leap in capability for the PLAAF. Remember, its only 15 years ago that they stopped producing the F-6 - a very bad Mig-19 copy.
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J-6s are actually perfected MiG-19. In that respects they are better than the originals. They carry heavier armament, as much as 3 cannons; had more powerful engines with twice the life; were more robustly built; better armed, wired for Atoll, Sidewinder and Magic clones.
 
Izzy1 said:
True. But I think your missing the point.

J-10 is a huge leap in capability for the PLAAF. Remember, its only 15 years ago that they stopped producing the F-6 - a very bad Mig-19 copy. Now they have a piece of kit that can challenge early-model F-16. At such pace, what next?

15 years ago, we were still developing Eurofighter. China has effectively skipped a generation of design with the J-10.
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agreed

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Izzy1 said:
True. But I think your missing the point.

J-10 is a huge leap in capability for the PLAAF. Remember, its only 15 years ago that they stopped producing the F-6 - a very bad Mig-19 copy. Now they have a piece of kit that can challenge early-model F-16. At such pace, what next?

15 years ago, we were still developing Eurofighter. China has effectively skipped a generation of design with the J-10.
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The 'talk' is that the next upgraded/modified/modernized version of J-10 will fly next year & the next generation 'stealthy' will fly around 2015.
 
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