Royal Saudi Air Force

[eaf-f16]

It is a bit strange why the US Justice Department is getting involved in all this. The Saudi response to any US interference will be simple - no more US orders and a further decline to a once-strong diplomatic realtionship that is now teetering on serious trouble.

So, as the US jeopardises future orders and BAE gets potentially paralysed by further investigations, it should come as no surprise the French are bitting their tongues and waiting to make their move.

Didn't they already sign the contract in 2006? Have deliveries been delayed by legal problems or just production rates?

And doesn't the EF2000 sale make the RSAF the most advanced air force present in the Middle East (US and Israel included), at least until the Turks get the F-35?

And how dose RSAF rank with Israel's Air Force now, taking in consideration the 72 EF2000's, the 150 something F-15's (including 48 F-15E's), 160 upgraded Tornados, and 5 AWACS E-3C Sentry's.

I think it wins by a landslide in terms of equipment and their training is pretty damn good.

(Note in the Gulf War one Saudi F-15 shot down two Iraqi MiG's in less than 20 seconds.)

 

[swerve]

Didn't they already sign the contract in 2006? Have deliveries been delayed by legal problems or just production rates?...

No, no & no. Agreement in principle in 2006, but still negotiating details. Deliveries have not been delayed. As far as we know, deliveries will be made according to the schedule provisionally agreed at the time of the agreement in principle.

 

[SaudiArabian]

Didn't they already sign the contract in 2006? Have deliveries been delayed by legal problems or just production rates?

the contract which was signed is an understanding memorandum , the deliveries as i heard from my relatives will start in 2008

currently , i see sometimes BAE commercials/announcements in the local media offering jobs for Saudi nationals

And doesn't the EF2000 sale make the RSAF the most advanced air force present in the Middle East (US and Israel included), at least until the Turks get the F-35?

yes if israel included , but if the CENTCOM-USAF included then there is no way to match

And how dose RSAF rank with Israel's Air Force now, taking in consideration the 72 EF2000's, the 150 something F-15's (including 48 F-15E's), 160 upgraded Tornados, and 5 AWACS E-3C Sentry's.

for "now" , the israelis are considered better untill 2008 when RSAF begins operating the Typhoons

then they have to wait till 2014 when they begin recieving their F-35's , at that time things may be different

however, it should be noted that Prince Sultan gave a promise in the december of 2005 on an interview with a Gulf magazine that he will make RSAF to be the best Air Force in the Middle East

i don't remember the name of the magazine but i can search for it if you want to

I think it wins by a landslide in terms of equipment and their training is pretty damn good.

there are other measures than just equipment and training . military installations and facilities is a major factor

"Saudi air force facilities remain excellent. No US or NATO base has sheltering and hardening equal to the Saudi bases at Dhahran and Khamis Mushayt, and similar facilities are being built at all of Saudi Arabia's main operating bases. Saudi bases also have significant modern maintenance and service facilities, including advanced F-15 services facilities at Khamis Mushayt"

from Cordesman and Al-Rodhan ; The Gulf Military Forces in an Era of Assymetric War , Saudi Arabia 28/6/2006

(Note in the Gulf War one Saudi F-15 shot down two Iraqi MiG's in less than 20 seconds.)

correction bro it was about 30 seconds , i personally uploaded several videos of the RSAF on youtube including that video

i just found the videos been added in the military videos section on DefenceTalk .
thank you WebMaster and i'll manage to upload the two remaining longer videos of the RSAF on Google Video and upload other videos of the Saudi Security Forces and its colleges

 

[eaf-f16]

yes if israel included , but if the CENTCOM-USAF included then there is no way to match

for "now" , the israelis are considered better untill 2008 when RSAF begins operating the Typhoons

then they have to wait till 2014 when they begin recieving their F-35's , at that time things may be different [/B]

How many fighter-jets dose the US have based in Gulf countries?

And wouldn't Egypt start getting the F-35 about the same time as the Israelis, maybe a little later so shouldn't that level the Arab-Israeli playing field?

 

[SaudiArabian]

How many fighter-jets dose the US have based in Gulf countries?

none in KSA , but i don't know about the other GCC's

most of the USAF jets are on board the air carriers

And wouldn't Egypt start getting the F-35 about the same time as the Israelis, maybe a little later so shouldn't that level the Arab-Israeli playing field?

Egypt will aquire the F-35 ? its the first time i read it

but even if it happens , unfortunately for us , the US may give the technological advantage for israel over the Arabs

 

[eaf-f16]

Egypt will aquire the F-35 ? its the first time i read it

but even if it happens , unfortunately for us , the US may give the technological advantage for israel over the Arabs

No, I'm only guessing.

But I'm sure if the Israelis get it Egypt would get it too to keep Egypt as an ally. The Egyptians can't keep the F-16's forever especially when Israel has F-35's. And it's not like we paid for any of those F-16's.

The Israelis already said the F-16 will stay in service till at least 2025. But they also said the want 100 F-35's and 24 F-22's, though the F-22's denied.

I think the Egyptian F-35 (if there is going to be one) will be technologically less advanced than the Israeli one (maybe AIM-120A for Egypt and AIM-120D for Israel) but Egypt can just buy the Meteor and AIM-132 ,with it's own money though.

 

[SABRE]

most of the USAF jets are on board the air carriers

USAF has no aircraft carrier. Its USNavy's.

 

[SaudiArabian]

USAF has not aircraft carrier. Its USNavy's.

my mistake , i apology

anyway i was talking about the US CENTCOM , i believe most of their jets are on board these air carriers. they have many of them in the Gulf water.

 

[metro]

"AFRICOM" is now based in Europe. The US is looking to move out of Germany (not needed) for some time and has been asked by Morocco for a while now to move there, "AFRICOM" to Africa. Therefore, the US will most likely have a major base of operations on the Israeli/Egyption side of the world sometime soon.

 

[eaf-f16]

"AFRICOM" is now based in Europe. The US is looking to move out of Germany (not needed) for some time and has been asked by Morocco for a while now to move there, "AFRICOM" to Africa. Therefore, the US will most likely have a major base of operations on the Israeli/Egyption side of the world sometime soon.

I don't get what all these Arab countries are doing and why they keep wanting to have US military bases in their countries and then complain when it bombs an Arab or Muslim country for no reason (Iraq).

I sometimes feel like they try to blame Palestine/Israel on us (Egypt) and say we abandoned them and didn't fight to free them, but then they bring the American military to their neighbors door step.

They have to understand war is not a joke and not every time an Arab country dose something stupid Egypt has to come in like superman and save the day.

How many times has Egypt fought on the behalf of other Arab countries that barley helped in the war effort themselves? And how many times did they thank or repay Egypt, the only time I can think of was the Gulf war.

They complain about the Americans but they're the ones who brought them in the first place.

 

[Yasin20]

SA has good airforce and egypt but isnt turkey the most advanced one out of all of them since turkey makes its own F16 and turkey will get the 50 block upgrades technology from the USA and also to be able to build there own F35 jets thanx to our american freinds

 

[eaf-f16]

SA has good airforce and egypt but isnt turkey the most advanced one out of all of them since turkey makes its own F16 and turkey will get the 50 block upgrades technology from the USA and also to be able to build there own F35 jets thanx to our american freinds

Agreed Turkey is the best air force in the Middle East. But is it still better than Saudi in terms of A2A platforms?

 

[Yasin20]

what do you mean

 

[eaf-f16]

what do you mean

Dose Turkey have an airplane that can match RSAF's F-15C's or it's future Eurofighter's in air-superiority roles?

 

[Yasin20]

why not whats rong with the F16 all in all its all about the pilot and turkey has the best pilots and greece becouse they have been haveing a lot of dog fight games over the Aegean sea

 

[metro]

I don't get what all these Arab countries are doing and why they keep wanting to have US military bases in their countries and then complain when it bombs an Arab or Muslim country for no reason (Iraq).

I sometimes feel like they try to blame Palestine/Israel on us (Egypt) and say we abandoned them and didn't fight to free them, but then they bring the American military to their neighbors door step.

They have to understand war is not a joke and not every time an Arab country dose something stupid Egypt has to come in like superman and save the day.

How many times has Egypt fought on the behalf of other Arab countries that barley helped in the war effort themselves? And how many times did they thank or repay Egypt, the only time I can think of was the Gulf war.

They complain about the Americans but they're the ones who brought them in the first place.

Unfortunately, the Palestinians have been used as pawns by the Oil Rich countries, in order to keep the Western ME, unstable. If Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, and the Palestinians began to forge a good a good and open relationship, all of the people would be happy and successfull. It would be a powerful cunterbalance to the money in the gulf. The citizens of Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, the GCCs, and even Iran, would have looked at the way Arabs and Jews are living and working together (knowing the work ethic, all of the people work hard too), they don't have to fear war, and are all contributing to the modern world.

War and instability keeps the price of oil high. Ask youself who has that interest. With the immense funding coming from those countries, going to the Palestinians, which we can see today how it has completely split the Palestinians into civil war. They are fighting each other out of an exported Islamic ideology (Hamas), money and power. Meanwhile, the Western ME is held to watching the tv channels and newspapers that come out of the gulf (or is funded by them).

Meanwhile, as in GWI, the Saudis Worst nightmare was Sadaam coming for them next. That's where we had to step in, to get Iraq out of Kuwait and protect the oil in SA and therefore the Saudis. From there on, making the Palestinian-Israeli issue something "BIG," made sure that the US would stay in the neighborhood for protection (despite rhtoric).

I think that the Egyptian, Israeli, and Jordanian military's are all around the best trained in the region. Witout Palestinian instability, there's nothing from keeping the entire western ME, truely become part of the Western World. I think that we, the US, are very frusterated with parts of the Gulf. So moving to Morrocco might add stability to an important part of the ME.

JMO
Peace

 

[Izzy1]

I don't get what all these Arab countries are doing and why they keep wanting to have US military bases in their countries and then complain when it bombs an Arab or Muslim country for no reason (Iraq).

For the same reasons Egypt did Camp David.

 

[eaf-f16]

For the same reasons Egypt did Camp David.

Really? Morocco is begging the US to put their base on their territory so they could regain land from them?

We did Camp David because we were on the verge of losing the Oct. 6th war with Israel because we moved out of the SAM umbrella and we were about to lose a second consecutive time. Not only that, we would have lost Sinai again.

And don't say Egypt is a sell out, at least we went to war with Israel, you guys didn't even shoot down the 14 planes that were flying over your territory for 5 hours back and from Iraq.

Again as I stated before, we signed it because war is not a joke and peace also is not a joke and peace is respected on both sides even ask the Israelis on this forum.

The Israelis "cruised" over your territory because they viewed the Saudi military as a joke (maybe not anymore but at the time).

Would they ever do this over Egypt's airspace?

 

[radiosilence]

Unfortunately, the Palestinians have been used as pawns by the Oil Rich countries, in order to keep the Western ME, unstable. If Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, and the Palestinians began to forge a good a good and open relationship, all of the people would be happy and successfull. It would be a powerful cunterbalance to the money in the gulf. The citizens of Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, the GCCs, and even Iran, would have looked at the way Arabs and Jews are living and working together (knowing the work ethic, all of the people work hard too), they don't have to fear war, and are all contributing to the modern world.

War and instability keeps the price of oil high. Ask youself who has that interest. With the immense funding coming from those countries, going to the Palestinians, which we can see today how it has completely split the Palestinians into civil war. They are fighting each other out of an exported Islamic ideology (Hamas), money and power. Meanwhile, the Western ME is held to watching the tv channels and newspapers that come out of the gulf (or is funded by them).

Meanwhile, as in GWI, the Saudis Worst nightmare was Sadaam coming for them next. That's where we had to step in, to get Iraq out of Kuwait and protect the oil in SA and therefore the Saudis. From there on, making the Palestinian-Israeli issue something "BIG," made sure that the US would stay in the neighborhood for protection (despite rhtoric).

I think that the Egyptian, Israeli, and Jordanian military's are all around the best trained in the region. Witout Palestinian instability, there's nothing from keeping the entire western ME, truely become part of the Western World. I think that we, the US, are very frusterated with parts of the Gulf. So moving to Morrocco might add stability to an important part of the ME.

JMO
Peace

How about the Israelis show some "goodwill" and pull back to the 67 borders? That will be a good start to forging better relationships with those countries you mentioned. The refugees status along with other points of contentions can be negotiated later. This will give credibility to fatah leadership which is on the verge of collapsing.

@ izzy or SaudiArabian
How often does the USAF and Saudi Airforce hold joint exercise?

 

[Khairul Alam]

Really? Morocco is begging the US to put their base on their territory so they could regain land from them?

We did Camp David because we were on the verge of losing the Oct. 6th war with Israel because we moved out of the SAM umbrella and we were about to lose a second consecutive time. Not only that, we would have lost Sinai again.

And don't say Egypt is a sell out, at least we went to war with Israel, you guys didn't even shoot down the 14 planes that were flying over your territory for 5 hours back and from Iraq.

Again as I stated before, we signed it because war is not a joke and peace also is not a joke and peace is respected on both sides even ask the Israelis on this forum.

The Israelis "cruised" over your territory because they viewed the Saudi military as a joke (maybe not anymore but at the time).

Would they ever do this over Egypt's airspace?

Well bro u cant really blame the Saudis. The Israeli jets huddled all their way to Iraq so that their radar signature was similar to that of a airliner. Had SA realized what Israel was upto, it wud surely have intervened. Dont forget that back then SA was actively supporting Iraq in its war against Iran and had also financed Iraq's nuclear programme. I guess SA wanted an "Arab Bomb".