RMAF Future; need opinions
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Sure about that? Mirage F1 & Jaguar bombed Iraq, Mirage 2000s did CAP, French tankers refuelled various countries aircraft (including USN). And didn't lose anything to friendly fire, IIRC.
Nor were Kuwaits Mirage F1s (those that had escaped the invasion), nor Qatari Mirage F1s, nor UAE Mirage 2000s grounded. All took part.
Wow, indeed is true tho' but wonder how you determine i never been to war from my post?
Seems you either just came back from outer space or you have no idea what topic are we going on here. Read carefully before you attempt an aggressive reply.
Bring in F-35 is very interesting, if, if only, this is a fantasy...
If the MiGs was not their choice, then what about present custom made MKMs? RMAF officers are responsible to organize themselves. Development of the MKMs took 2 years, they should get fired if they didn't solve this tiny matter, before they decide, and after they decided. Anyways, I am sure they did all they need to do.
Agreed. IFF is of course a issue, but if AF officers didn't able to solved it, they are useless to be continue on their position.
BTW, I agree to get a sqd of Super Hornets. They are just what we need.
IMV, Couple of reasons here...
- matahir was anti-western, it was his way of sending a message about independent procurement thought.
- procurement balancing - see above
In absolute terms, its dumb logistics and planning to employ disparate platforms such as these as it compounds systems integration and fusion issues.
The malays apparently think the problems are worth the grief to send a message about procurement neutrality
Absolutely right.
Also, we need to bear in mind that this is a newspaper article. The opening lead feels like the journalist paraphrasing the PTU. I have more faith where there were actual quotation marks.
You have to know a little about where and what the RMAF expected to fight. (I thought you were an ex-RMAF pilot?) The Sukhoi is probably still the best platform for this role.
Expanding on the where and what, I disagree that the Sukhoi is meant to specialize on A2A vs. A2G. I think this division is truer for the MiG-29N - F/A-18D combination. I also think that Russian guided munitions are suitably effective for their intended role.
I don't follow the writings of Carlo Kopp and Peter Goon much but I really don't see Malaysia's Sukhois ever being used against Australia.
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Carlo Kopp and Peter Goon are part of a think tank thats all
Thats what we need, the block 2 hornets. LIke i posted earlier in another thread.. going for the oiginal poposal is like shooting ourselves in the foot.The original proposal is soo ol.. n by the time the plane actually aives it will be outdated by its current and future upgraded version.
To say that buying the block 2 is tilting the balance of power is rediculous.. considering Singapore if buying the F15 SG an still gonna get thier JSF.
THE MOD should actively and relenntlessly persue this block 2 type with the AESA radar to the US. Otherwise, they can just buy more of the mkm block 2 if the prefer as a threat to the US. If you dont sell us what we want.. we will buy more of the MKM"s which is a clever message to the US.
Whst with the sukhoi still having plenty of room for its future upgrades. Adding OLS will surely enhance the fighter plane further, and propably AESA for future mkm batch 2's.
To say that buying the block 2 is tilting the balance of power is rediculous.. considering Singapore if buying the F15 SG an still gonna get thier JSF.
THE MOD should actively and relenntlessly persue this block 2 type with the AESA radar to the US. Otherwise, they can just buy more of the mkm block 2 if the prefer as a threat to the US. If you dont sell us what we want.. we will buy more of the MKM"s which is a clever message to the US.
Whst with the sukhoi still having plenty of room for its future upgrades. Adding OLS will surely enhance the fighter plane further, and propably AESA for future mkm batch 2's.
Actually, even the Chinese and Indian so call "threat" along with all the brought scenarios IMO are not even practical.
and there are very few australians who would think that as well....
the logic used by APA is that you should always assume the worst, and that relationships with countries can deterioriate quickly.
In real terms, and for a variety of reasons, I see the arguments about Malay, Indon, Indian and Chinese Sukhois going up against the RAAF as abject nonsense.
still, everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how bizaare it may seem personally.
What gave you the idea that I was an ex-RMAF pilot?
I am not so sure. The SU-30 is based on the design of the SU-27. Now maybe the forum experts on Russian aircraft can correct me. But if I am not mistaken:
"the aircraft (SU-27) was designed as an air superiority fighter, and that meant dogfighting...The T-10 (SU-27 Project) was the Soviet answer to the F-15 which McDonnell Douglas had been developing post-haste since 1969"
- Y. Gordon, Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker (Shrewsbury, 1999), p. 11.
Again, I cannot confess to being an expert on Russian PGM's. But if I am not mistaken many Russian PGM's, like their new AAM's (such as the R-77) have not been proven in combat. Now they maybe as good as Western PGM's but they have had some problems in the past (for e.g. the inadequate coverage of GLOSNASS) and I suspect the jury is still out.
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I'm prepared to accept this. But where I disagree with renjer was with regard to the airframe. The Sukhoi 30 airframe is clearly optimized for the air superiority role, the strike role is secondary. Now, this is not meant to be a criticism of the SU-30. The F-15e Strike Eagle is clearly a capable bomber in its own right. But the initial design for the F-15 was as an air superiority fighter, the strike role was assigned later based on the range and power of the airframe, like in the case of the SU-30.weasel1962 said:
I was actually referring to the more recent Russian weapons such as the KAB-500S-E. This is Russia's version of the American JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition), and anti-ship missiles such as the SS-N-27 Klub. Now as far as I am aware these weapons have not been fired in anger and are therefore still untested, but there are other people on this forum more knowledgable than me regarding this matter.weasel1962 said:
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not many people know this but it is a fact that the F-22 is actually better than the F-35A.
let me explain, the americans have built the F-35A to mass-export, & replace the old F-16s of it's allies. BUT, BUT, the F-22 is actually not for everyone, not even, israel,who was denied F-22 & was told to buy F-35A.
now, what does that tell u ??
the same thing happened in the 1980's when the F-16 was mass exported,
but the much advanced HORNET was kept aside for USAF only
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what do u guys have to say about the BERKUT???( Su-37)
u think it can be as good as the F-22???
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What gave you the idea that I was an ex-RMAF pilot?
I am not so sure. The SU-30 is based on the design of the SU-27. Now maybe the forum experts on Russian aircraft can correct me. But if I am not mistaken:
"the aircraft (SU-27) was designed as an air superiority fighter, and that meant dogfighting...The T-10 (SU-27 Project) was the Soviet answer to the F-15 which McDonnell Douglas had been developing post-haste since 1969"
- Y. Gordon, Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker (Shrewsbury, 1999), p. 11.
Again, I cannot confess to being an expert on Russian PGM's. But if I am not mistaken many Russian PGM's, like their new AAM's (such as the R-77) have not been proven in combat. Now they maybe as good as Western PGM's but they have had some problems in the past (for e.g. the inadequate coverage of GLOSNASS) and I suspect the jury is still out.
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what do u guys have to say about the BERKUT???( Su-37)
u think it can be as good as the F-22???
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If I am not mistaken, the Berkut is actually a research aircraft and concept demonstrator. It is not the finished PAK-FA aircraft. It has been said that the Berkut isn't using the engine which the PAK-FA is going to use. The Berkut lacks radar, mission systems or weapons. With regard to the PAK-FA, it is impossible to say how it compares with the F-22 as it has not flown yet and details of its avionics, engines and performance is still sketchy at best.
P.S. Sorry gf0012-aust, Won't happen again.
Just a gentle word of advice.
It might pay for you to read some of the other posters comments so that you get an idea of their background before you pass comment on some topics.
Some of the people in here at the Def Professionals level (blue letters) as well as some of the Senior Members (green letters) have some serious involvement on the topics they reply to. A number of them are within the defence industry, some are military sector and aviation journalists (who have seen some of these platforms up close, and have been privy to special briefings)