what Squadron Leader Sameen Mazhar has to say about PAF & F-16's

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S/L Sameen Mazhar joined the Pakistani Air Force (Pakistan Fiza'ya) in October 1980, and after four years of rigorous training and academics at the PAF College at Sargodha, he was awarded a bachelors degree in Aerosciences. He then went to the Air Force Academy at Risalpur for flying training. After 1 1/2 year of flying training, including primary and basic jet flying on T-37 a/c, he was awarded his "wings" and was commissioned as a "pilot officer" in the G D(P) (general duty pilot) branch of the PAF in 1985. In Pakistan, this is quite an achievement, since the attrition rate during various tests and phases was almost 50%. Only half of the cadets could make it to the pilot officer rank during these five years.

S/L Mazhar did his fighter conversion on the Mig-17, and, thanks to his excellent flying skills was directly sent to the Mirage OCU (normally, after fighter conversion, all PAF pilots are sent to the F-6 (Sheniyang-built MiG-19, aka J-6) OCU or the F-7P (Sheniyang-built MiG-21, aka J-7). After successfully completing Mirage conversion, he was posted to Nr. 8 Tactical Attack sqn equipped with the Mirage V PA3. There he specialized in the Air to Sea role. From there he was posted to Nr. 11 OCU for conversion on the viper in 1990 after which he was assigned to Nr. 9 Multi role sqn. S/L Mazhar also flew the F-16 in the prestegious "Combat Commanders" School of the PAF, where he took an advanced course similar to USN Fighter Weapons School (Topgun). (F-16.net Note: To give you an idea of the stringent criteria and high standard of training in the PAF, only 1% of the initial intake makes it to fighter pilot in the squadrons of the PAF.)

F-16.net: How long have you flown the Viper and how many hours do you have on the F-16?

S/L. Mazhar: I have been flying the viper since 1990. But there was a break of 2 1/2 years in between when I did a tenure as a Flight Instructor in PAF Academy. Due to some restrictions, we do not fly as much as USAF or Turkish AF pilots do, therefore I only have about 500 hours on the F-16.

F-16.net: How would you compare the F-16 to the other aircraft types you flew?

S/L. Mazhar: Well, in a nutshell, Mig is potent but lacks sophistication, but mind you if a good pilot is sitting in a Mig, it takes a while to get him in your HUD. Mirage comes no where close to the Viper in air combat, but for its role, surface attack, its a beautiful platform.

F-16.net: What is the principal role of the F-16 in the PAF?

S/L. Mazhar: Although the principal role of Pakistani F-16s is Air Defence, it is utilized as a true multi role aircraft in our Air Force. We are extensively using the F-16 in various roles like strike, deep interdiction, escort etc.

F-16.net: Is there a difference in the roles of the three sqns? Which squadron did you enjoy most serving with?

S/L. Mazhar: Yes. Apart from the operational flying, Nr. 11 OCU has to fulfill the task of being the sole F-16 conversion unit for the PAF. CCS is purely an advanced tactics school for section leaders during their mid career. I enjoyed all the three assignments as I was flying the F-16.

F-16.net: What are the consequences of pakistan's geographical location for the Pakistani Air Force, and for the Pakistan F-16s in particular?

S/L. Mazhar: I don't want to go in detail in this matter but due to obvious reasons of Russian invasion / unrest in Afghanistan in the west, and India's vision of becoming a mini superpower in the south east Asia, on our east, PAF has to keep a vigilant eye all along its border to defend the sovereignty of its country. The F-16s are the only a/c equipped with the latest avionics suite which can effectively fulfill this task therefore it puts them under tremendous pressure as far as the responsibility is concerned.

F-16.net: The PAF is one of the few airforces whose F-16s saw actual combat. How does this affect the Pakistani AF and its F-16 pilots? What were the circumstances of those engagements?

S/L. Mazhar: Pretty long question !!!!!!! It has made a pakistani pilot more wise I would say, and Air Force on the whole, as far as the employment of the F-16 is concerned. We have devised new tactics and educated our non AI equipped a/c pilots how to handle a situation if they are pitched against an AI equipped threat. In the beginning the Russians and the Afghanis were really flying like bafoons, but later they also learnt how to employ their a/c. They used split level tactics and played with numbers (typical Russian doctrine), in the end, to increase the task of the viper pilots. At time a single viper had to play with six to eight adversaries and mind you this is no exaggeration !!!!!!!!

F-16.net: What is life in a PAF F-16 sqn like? Do you think the sqn life in the PAF is different from sqn life in other airforces?

S/L. Mazhar: Life in a PAF F-16 sqn is quite tough; to be very frank. Due to the diversity of the role, the pilots are trained in almost all the roles. We do not have pilots specialised in only one role. You can very comfortably call them multi role pilots !!!!! This calls for full time dedication and hard work on the part of the pilots to maintain standards alongwith normal flying and 24 hours air defence alert duties. We really mean bussiness here in the F-16 sqns.

F-16.net: What flight profiles (air-air; air-ground,...) do you enjoy most and why?

S/L. Mazhar: My favourite is the ESCORT role. It is a true blend of surface attack and air-air at low level. I think it's the ultimate you can derive out of a viper, though it demands a lot of training, there's no match pivoting a viper at 250 feet AGL, keeping an eye on the radar scope, watching your tail and shoot as well!

F-16.net: Do you have particularly fond memories of a specific deployment or exercise?

S/L. Mazhar: HIGHMARK 93 - one of the major exercises PAF conducts. I had twenty five "confirmed" kills in air during a twelve day period, the highest for any pilot in any exercise of the PAF.

F-16.net: Thanks for the interview!

- S/L Mazhar was interviewed online by Stefaan Vanhastel -
 

mysterious

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Sexyy!!! And that thing about one Falcon (dont know why 'viper' is used here) being pitted against 6-8 Russian/Afghani aircrafts is still on my mind. :smokingc:
 

corsair7772

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Pretty Slick.
The guy knows what hez flyin and how to fly it. His comparisons are interesting to and so are his memories of the exercises he participated in.
 

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Notice where he says "MULTIROLE PILOTS". it just shows the quality training the PAF get :D . the f-16 pilots definatly know there role in the PAF.
 

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When did this interview occur? The reason I ask is that Mazhar states he has been flying the F-16 since 1990, and then subtracts 2 years because of another posting. He then states he has roughly 500 hours in the F-16. Now if I do my math, he's been in F-16's for 12 years but has only logged 500 hours? That can't be right, you couldn't maintain any semblence of proficiency flying that little. That's about 42 hours a year, I flew 62 hours under NVG's alone last year! By comparison, US pilots average around 250 hours a year, depending on aircraft type some log more, a few log a little less. Bare bone minimum requirements for me are 120 hours annually, but with special mission task itterations and NVG minimums it's almost impossible to maintain currency on less than 150 hours and then, your sorta dangerous to yourself and others. Is something missing from this story or is that all the training those guys actually get?
 

corsair7772

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Are u saying the soucre isnt credible enough?

The F-16 has been short on SPs for abt a decade. If u read ACM mushaf or whoever he was's strategy on conserving the F-16s ud know tht 500 hrs is a lot.
 

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grem with all do respect this is PAF were talking about not the USAF, PAF has rarely ever gotten access to F-16 spares and they have very litle of them available, probably the only credible Air defense, Hes only logged 500 hundred hours on F-16 but i bet they obviously train on other platforms, thats not his total hour in flight, they have other trainers to fly, PAF only has 39 i think 28 are operational i think, so you would expect the best of the PAF to fly such platform that are integral to the Security of an entire country. so i guess they preserve flight time by only using these AC when it is absolutely necessary. but i have heard PAF Pilot do strike quite a bit of Shock on the INdians when they fly these Birds proves the point, to have a decent platform and brilliant Pilot and you have the most credible Air defence that any nation can acquire.
 

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I'm not questioning the credibility of neither the source nor Squadron Leader Mazhar himself. My comments are all being made in a good nature and are not meant to be inflamatory nor are they meant to discredit Sameen Mazhar. I'm strictly commenting on what's been said.

To me it's incredulous that anyone flying that little, could be "current and qualified" in any type of aircraft. Therefore, I would only guess that they are flying other types, or the story skims over or omits other details, namely a bunch of flight hours. Frankly, a pilot logging 42 hours annually isn't going to be proficient at all, if anything he will be a danger to himself. There is no substitute for flight hours when it comes to pilot proficiency, and I'd wager Sameen Mazhar would agree.
 

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Gremlin29 said:
I'm not questioning the credibility of neither the source nor Squadron Leader Mazhar himself. My comments are all being made in a good nature and are not meant to be inflamatory nor are they meant to discredit Sameen Mazhar. I'm strictly commenting on what's been said.

To me it's incredulous that anyone flying that little, could be "current and qualified" in any type of aircraft. Therefore, I would only guess that they are flying other types, or the story skims over or omits other details, namely a bunch of flight hours. Frankly, a pilot logging 42 hours annually isn't going to be proficient at all, if anything he will be a danger to himself. There is no substitute for flight hours when it comes to pilot proficiency, and I'd wager Sameen Mazhar would agree.
Absolutely Grem but I don't know how it works in PAF, but i know in RAF, even the engineers need Compulsory Flying hours. but PAF uses these Flacons only if there is a threat. They, i can bet have other platforms that are considered of same class as a falcons those are probably used to complete the Necessary Flight hours but i doubt they Ever fly much, becasue i know this from credible source that they in-fact use there Falcons rarely, other than that its a matter of being a proficient flyer they do fly with other platform types for extra Flying hours to compensate for the F-16 Flight hours. Only the best fly these bird who have flown other platforms and have loged a substantial Amount of Flight hours and have probably proved them selves in wars. :) i think thats why they take a break and others get a chance to fly these birds every two years (is it). if you check
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_pilots_airforce-PAF.html

Grem you can't compare an Airforce that has suffered multitudes of attacks and a decade of Sanctions, they do the best they can :) , there War and training doctrine is Dissimilar to the USAF's so i would bet that they have there ways to perform the same but with less Flight hours on Flacons. :)
 

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Pilots in the PAF that only have a limit to their flying hours are normally sent to Saudi Arabia or to the emirates or even Egypt to join and train the airforces there. I was in Pakistan when the tensions where high and i spoke to a PAF mirage pilot who was in Egypt before the tensions got high between India and Pakistan. It just shows that they are needed only in the most serious circumstances.
 

umair

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Gremlin29 said:
I'm not questioning the credibility of neither the source nor Squadron Leader Mazhar himself. My comments are all being made in a good nature and are not meant to be inflamatory nor are they meant to discredit Sameen Mazhar. I'm strictly commenting on what's been said.

To me it's incredulous that anyone flying that little, could be "current and qualified" in any type of aircraft. Therefore, I would only guess that they are flying other types, or the story skims over or omits other details, namely a bunch of flight hours. Frankly, a pilot logging 42 hours annually isn't going to be proficient at all, if anything he will be a danger to himself. There is no substitute for flight hours when it comes to pilot proficiency, and I'd wager Sameen Mazhar would agree.
Actually Grem it's more like 1500 hrs on the viper for this gu,I met him once at Sargodha AFB back in 1995, he used to live accross the street from my uncle at the base.The interview has a typo which has never been rectified.Besides F-16.net has some deficiencies in it's info as well.I had his flight hours on the viper verified from multiple sources.
Btw there are 32 Vipers currently in service with #9 and 11 squadrons, 30(not 28) active and two in store as attrition replacements.
 
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