What is this(some thing from Iranian military exercise)?

Wild Weasel

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If I'm not mistaken, it looks like a Soviet/Russian wing-in-ground effect prototype. The Russians have a lot of experience with WIG craft, also known as ekranoplans. It's natural that the Iranians would have an interest in, and access to, Russian WIG designs.
 

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I did some searching, I guess it is a WIG. Although WIGs travel over water (i bit in the air), this one seems to be flying. May be its just poor photo quality.

Compared to the following pics I believe your right, its a WIG.



 

Jtimes2

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It's an indigineous Iranian UAV, the Mohajer-4. Although not referenced by name, here's it "in-the-news":
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20060531-040603-2696r

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Oops, my bad; Mahajer is the pusher-prop variant; the kerosene jet version (pictured) is called Abalil. Here's a pic to compare with yours. Note shape of fuselage and position of canards. PHOTO: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/ababil-02-s.jpg
 
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RubiconNZ

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What is the purpose of a WIG?
Some can go quite quick for a watercraft perspective, I have heard of some civilian projects for transport etc but a new military effort is interesting. This page has Erkanoplan's pictures plus some diagrams how it works quite interesting I thought. The LUN was wack, anti CBG weapons platform, boy the Soviets were scared of them they designed just about every sytem under the sun to try and take em out.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/aerodynamics/q0130.shtml
 
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Basically, it allows a hullform the abilty to fly at extremely low altitude, long range, and high speed- and be able to take off and land on water.
As a large amphibious transport, maritime patrol plane, and ASuW strike-bomber, it is an extremely effective platform.
The Soviets were developing very large, powerful, and advanced models for amphibious warfare and other roles, when the bottom fell out of their defence budget.

Most noteworthy was the "Caspian Sea Monster", and the Orlyonok.
 

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Wild Weasel said:
Basically, it allows a hullform the abilty to fly at extremely low altitude, long range, and high speed- and be able to take off and land on water.
As a large amphibious transport, maritime patrol plane, and ASuW strike-bomber, it is an extremely effective platform.
The Soviets were developing very large, powerful, and advanced models for amphibious warfare and other roles, when the bottom fell out of their defence budget.

Most noteworthy was the "Caspian Sea Monster", and the Orlyonok.
Wasn't the Spruce Goose the first WIG?:lol2

The talk of Boeing making a huge transport WIG only says it carries 1300 tons, thats nothing compared to Sea lift. Everything I'm reading says if she goes into more than sea-state 2-3 she flies apart. Sounds like she can't operate in open oceans. That Caspain Sea Monster gave me a good laugh, thanks for that. I think I'll stick with C-17s.
 

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Big-E said:
Wasn't the Spruce Goose the first WIG?:lol2

The talk of Boeing making a huge transport WIG only says it carries 1300 tons, thats nothing compared to Sea lift. Everything I'm reading says if she goes into more than sea-state 2-3 she flies apart. Sounds like she can't operate in open oceans. That Caspain Sea Monster gave me a good laugh, thanks for that. I think I'll stick with C-17s.
Well actually, altitude can be increased significantly- allowing the airframe to stay above wave crests, no matter the sea-state.
Yes, compared to an LST, a WIG doesn't haul that much. But it does carry a substantial payload for an airplane- and it can fly at subsonic speed.

Now, imagine a fleet of say a hundred "Sea Monsters" carrying up to 1000 Marines each. They can fly thousands of kilometers across an ocean, and in a matter hours, could land 100,000 fully equipped shock troops to an enemy shore. The second and third sorties would double, and triple that amount of troops in as few as two or three days.
Alternatively, imagine several dozen of these things loaded with a dozen or more supersonic ASHM's flying towards a carrier group below the radar.
They all launch scores of Klub, or Yakhont missiles, at the edge of the horizon - and then reverse course at maximum thrust. They return to friendly territory and set down next to a heavy freighter which acts as a tender.
In a matter of hours, they can be refueled, and rearmed, and loaded with fresh crews- and return to re-attack, and/or finish off the survivors.

Certainly, the US C-17 is a great airborne transport, and Russia is no longer able to mass-produce enormous WIGs-
but if Russia's economy hadn't fallen apart, they could0 have been as effective as the C-17 as a atransport, or been a more effective missile launcher than a regiment of Backfires.

The US could certainly have a use for a fleet of these on either coast, as they could be used to deliver several battalion's worth of troops to the other side of the ocean in the time it takes to fly them in a C-17.
The same fleet could also be used to launch hundreds of TLAMs, CALCMs, and "Affordable Weapons" against any threat in the world, from far beyond SAM and fighter patrol range.
In addition, we should keep in mind there is no reason the US couldn't also make them stealthy, in-flight refuel capable, and capable of performing many different roles.
 

arkhan

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SABRE said:
I did some searching, I guess it is a WIG. Although WIGs travel over water (i bit in the air), this one seems to be flying. May be its just poor photo quality.

Compared to the following pics I believe your right, its a WIG.



just go to the video link, [http://www.se-technology.com/wig/index.php?open=listmovies and watch every files. this thing can FLY!!.
although not that high, it still can skim over water and land.
i'm surprised this technology is not commercialized for civilian use. from the website it is used mainly by researcher and hobbyist.
 

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Jtimes2 said:
It's an indigineous Iranian UAV, the Mohajer-4. Although not referenced by name, here's it "in-the-news":
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20060531-040603-2696r

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Oops, my bad; Mahajer is the pusher-prop variant; the kerosene jet version (pictured) is called Abalil. Here's a pic to compare with yours. Note shape of fuselage and position of canards. PHOTO: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/ababil-02-s.jpg
Its not called "Abalil", its "ABABIL". Iranian developed UAVs. It is roumered to have takeb flights over Israel. I think its job is to only spy, it has no self defence or attack options.

There are lot of military hardwares in Islamic world named "Ababil". Pakistan navy also flies a self developed/produced Ababil UAVs. Though there is no information available on Pakistan Navy's version.
 

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arkhan said:
just go to the video link, [http://www.se-technology.com/wig/index.php?open=listmovies and watch every files. this thing can FLY!!.
although not that high, it still can skim over water and land.
i'm surprised this technology is not commercialized for civilian use. from the website it is used mainly by researcher and hobbyist.
I remember watching a documentory on WIGs being used for civilian transport in Australia (or may it was some where else, watched it long time ago), while some one above mentioned Boeing developing WIGs for transport and Cargo.
 

Big-E

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just go to the video link, [http://www.se-technology.com/wig/index.php?open=listmovies and watch every files. this thing can FLY!!.
although not that high, it still can skim over water and land.
i'm surprised this technology is not commercialized for civilian use. from the website it is used mainly by researcher and hobbyist.
The problem with production of this technology is the lift area. The further off the ground she goes the more lift is needed to be generated. For there to be a practical application of this device she would be lifted too high off the ground to utilize the concept for which she was built and would in turn become just another aeroplane.
 

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That's probably true. In order to reach minimum safe operational altitude over 20m swells, the WIG has to increase thrust significantly, thereby reducing range, and low-observability.

While the design is excellent for most long-distance amphibious operations, bad weather could certainly be a limiting factor. Flying into anything bigger than a tropical depression when flying just above wave height is probably almost sure suicide.
 

old faithful

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yeah sabre. there is/was a wig based in cairns, far north Queensland Australia. it was civillian owned and conducted sea? trials during Sep/Nov 2004. I saw this thing fly many times,looked like it was less than 10m above the sea and it really got along! Not much was said in the local media, and i left Cairns around Dec that year and never gave it anymore thought untill i read this post. Dont know who or where it was manifactured....it looked very modern,was powered by jets,small wings and left a hell of a rooster tail on the surface of the water! Dont know if its still there. (im in Darwin now, and looking forward to the A series cricket, any young Pak cricket guns to watch out for? ;-)
 

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I remember seeing a picture of a model of the 'Caspian Sea monster', it looked quite impressive, but still freakishly futureistec!

Could an Iranian WIG, flying at such low levels, be able to close in on a CBG, or at least the most distant picket vessels? What about incorporating some sort of radar absorbant material into the construction? A plausable weapon?
 

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old faithful said:
yeah sabre. there is/was a wig based in cairns, far north Queensland Australia. it was civillian owned and conducted sea? trials during Sep/Nov 2004. I saw this thing fly many times,looked like it was less than 10m above the sea and it really got along! Not much was said in the local media, and i left Cairns around Dec that year and never gave it anymore thought untill i read this post. Dont know who or where it was manifactured....it looked very modern,was powered by jets,small wings and left a hell of a rooster tail on the surface of the water! Dont know if its still there. (im in Darwin now, and looking forward to the A series cricket, any young Pak cricket guns to watch out for? ;-)
Thanks for confirming ... I was just abt to google for the info on Australian WIG to make sure if I was right or not. May be I still should to get some more info.

[Dnt watch A Series games, dnt knw who is playing so cant say whom u should watch out for. But it dsnt matter, u aussies always kick @$$. Even you A-teams defeat other international teams :wah]
 
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