USAF effectiveness against major powers

[gazzzwp]

I wonder if someone could bring me up to date with the latest views regarding the likely effectiveness of the modern USAF equipment compared to say the Russian or Chinese equivalents. I'm reading on the web and youtube much negative publicity against the F-22 and F-35 in favour of the SU-35. Apologies if this has been recently discussed. How does the Euro-fighter rank in this competition? Is it already well out of date?

How important are detailed advantages likely to be anyway in modern warfare? Is it more likely to come down to experience, operating hours, training, etc rather than technical superiority?

Lots of questions...................

[Mod Edit: Thread closed out of kindness to you. Take note of the comments by senior members and defence professional in this thread. At least keep yourself informed by reading other threads in the forum, with far better information, before posting this sort of rubbish again. Many thanks. ]

 

[RobWilliams]

Anything you see or hear on youtube regarding these matters you generally have to take with a MASSIVE grain of salt.

i'd say around 80% of those videos are people who believe only their country produces the best equipment and therefore everything else is complete garbage, and 9/10 times their reasoning for it is complete nonsense and not true either so :smash

Plus this looks to me that it could EASILY turn into the tabooed "x versus y" thread which is not allowed on DT, so watch your step. :roll

 

[Sea Toby]

I wonder if someone could bring me up to date with the latest views regarding the likely effectiveness of the modern USAF equipment compared to say the Russian or Chinese equivalents. I'm reading on the web and youtube much negative publicity against the F-22 and F-35 in favour of the SU-35. Apologies if this has been recently discussed. How does the Euro-fighter rank in this competition? Is it already well out of date?

How important are detailed advantages likely to be anyway in modern warfare? Is it more likely to come down to experience, operating hours, training, etc rather than technical superiority?

Lots of questions...................

You must be reading from the wrong web sites. Do you really think the United States and several allies would be building thousands of a new generation of aircraft if they weren't premium fighters? Ignore the platform arguments and concentrate on network systems instead.

All of this has been discussed before. I suggest you read the entire thread of the F-35. Listen to what the pilots who have flown the F-35 say, not desk bound critical journalists.

Keep in mind many of the critics have not so hidden agendas involving other aircraft...

 

[T.C.P]

I wonder if someone could bring me up to date with the latest views regarding the likely effectiveness of the modern USAF equipment compared to say the Russian or Chinese equivalents. I'm reading on the web and youtube much negative publicity against the F-22 and F-35 in favour of the SU-35. Apologies if this has been recently discussed. How does the Euro-fighter rank in this competition? Is it already well out of date?

How important are detailed advantages likely to be anyway in modern warfare? Is it more likely to come down to experience, operating hours, training, etc rather than technical superiority?

Lots of questions...................

Dude are you seriously trying to compare fighter air crafts based on comments you have seen on YouTube! On You tube??!! Wow :hitwall

 

[PeterCrisp]

As much as I'd love to be able to say the RAF has the best aircraft in the world I have a feeling the US has enough money and know how to at least match anything anyone else has. Even if someone does bring out something that's clearly superior I'm sure the F22 can be upgraded.

 

[Rimasta]

Well the Chinese are working on the J-20 and the Russian's and Indian's on the T-50 but the United States to the best of my knowledge has no manned fighter aircraft for planned the future. As my avatar shows drones are most likely the future. Doing maneuvers that no human pilot could hope to survive is just one advantage. And think on a Nimitz class vessel having aircraft that are half the size of conventional fighter designs with folding wings allowing perhaps 180 strike aircraft (all drones) to fit on a single carrier. No doubt the Raptors and JSF's will be flying for the foreseeable future but due to the advances in prototypes like the X-47 those Russian and Chinese fighters may be soon find themselves outclassed and outnumbered unless they too look into their own UCAV's.

 

[Cadredave]

Well the Chinese are working on the J-20 and the Russian's and Indian's on the T-50 but the United States to the best of my knowledge has no manned fighter aircraft for planned the future. As my avatar shows drones are most likely the future. Doing maneuvers that no human pilot could hope to survive is just one advantage. And think on a Nimitz class vessel having aircraft that are half the size of conventional fighter designs with folding wings allowing perhaps 180 strike aircraft (all drones) to fit on a single carrier. No doubt the Raptors and JSF's will be flying for the foreseeable future but due to the advances in prototypes like the X-47 those Russian and Chinese fighters may be soon find themselves outclassed and outnumbered unless they too look into their own UCAV's.

Ok dont get to platform centric, yes UCAV's will have there place but they are one part of the force construct a Commander will use the best tools for the best job to execute his plan manned or unmanned has been done to death on other threads here in DT. On this sight are some people who have far more insight into whats coming on line in the future regarding future tech. As for me when calling in ECAS im more likely to put my trust into a platform with a real pilot in it than a machine. a bit old fashioned but I like to know that what im seeing is eactly what the pilot see.

 

[lucinator]

Well the Chinese are working on the J-20 and the Russian's and Indian's on the T-50 but the United States to the best of my knowledge has no manned fighter aircraft for planned the future. As my avatar shows drones are most likely the future. Doing maneuvers that no human pilot could hope to survive is just one advantage. And think on a Nimitz class vessel having aircraft that are half the size of conventional fighter designs with folding wings allowing perhaps 180 strike aircraft (all drones) to fit on a single carrier. No doubt the Raptors and JSF's will be flying for the foreseeable future but due to the advances in prototypes like the X-47 those Russian and Chinese fighters may be soon find themselves outclassed and outnumbered unless they too look into their own UCAV's.

the US airforce has the F-XX program underway, and the navy has the F/A-XX program so um yeah they are working on new fighter designs

as to the topic starter DONT rely on youtube for analysis of countries fighters, one of the best(though pricy) is JANES, or you could use a myriad of defense webs site, such as globalsecurity.org. I'm sure others on this forum could point you to their picks of sites as well.

Though to give you my opinion: by most standards the F-22 is still regarded as the best in air superiority and for now the USAF is still regarded as the strongest airforce in the world, though that could change.

 

[Rimasta]

the US airforce has the F-XX program underway, and the navy has the F/A-XX program so um yeah they are working on new fighter designs

But are they manned fighter designs? Are there even initial designs at all for either program? The F-22 and the JSF and capable of maneuvers that may be too much for a human pilot to endure and with more advanced and maneuverable missile threats emerging it makes sense to go unmanned in that regard. Easier to replace your losses as well since you don't need new pilots if one gets shot down.

 

[surpreme]

The USAF is by far the most effective force in the world. You best believe the US working on another design. There lots of air force information beside Youtube.

 

[dragonfire]

I wonder if someone could bring me up to date with the latest views regarding the likely effectiveness of the modern USAF equipment compared to say the Russian or Chinese equivalents. I'm reading on the web and youtube much negative publicity against the F-22 and F-35 in favour of the SU-35. Apologies if this has been recently discussed. How does the Euro-fighter rank in this competition? Is it already well out of date?

It would be wise to not think just about Platform 'A' against Platform 'B'. In a conflict there are a lot of complex factors which would decide the outcome. As far as the underlying concern about the airborne platforms of the USA what you need to understand is that it is ahead of the curve. The US Military machine fields some of the most advanced platforms available, however the huge gap enjoyed currently might deteriorate to some extent in future considering that the global economic patterns are also changing. None of the platforms you have named are 'out of date' most of them being quite new actually.

How important are detailed advantages likely to be anyway in modern warfare? Is it more likely to come down to experience, operating hours, training, etc rather than technical superiority?

Lots of questions...................

In a conflict everything matters including some of things mentioned above like experience & training. However what also matters is warfare doctrine, intelligence, effective utilization of assets, situational awareness, communications capability, logistics etc etc.

Intelligence, Situational Awareness etc allows you to 'know thy enemy' and be prepared. Resource Plannning, Logistics etc enables you to ensure ensure appropriate assets are in place at the right time. Communications capabilities, effective utilisation of assets, training, experience, tactics, etc enables you to plan your course of action and implement it.