USAF capabilities in IADS suppression

[SkolZkiy]

http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/236/
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2009-02.html

Again Australian analitics surprised me. At they doubt in JSF, and now APA’s Dr. Carlo Kopp says that F-22 and B-2A are the only two aircraft which can withstand IADS based on modern Russian SAMs or even on modern China SAMs. I've read this article and must say that it is pretty objective. I agree with the author in most points - except the stealth systems (F-22, B2). Unless somebody shows proof of their real stealth capability against radar which are now in service in RuArmy

 

[ROCK45]

First link

We should not mislead ourselves about the seriousness of this matter. Leading American analyst Dr. Richard Hallion, in a recent interview commented: “Today, if NATO wanted to establish an air exclusion zone over Georgia, it could not do so with any aircraft other than the 5th Generation F-22 Raptor...”.

This is a quote from the first link I'll read the second one next. I don't agree with this Russia doesn't have this S-400 built in numbers and not deployed near Georgia, and may take years. Russia's AF has less then two regiments of upgraded Su-27s which are not on par with F-15C on most levels. Mixed in the lack of stick time and actual air to air combat training Russia pilots get and I think NATO and/American pilots would be able to do the job for a certain matter of time.

Sending up pilots against well maintain aircraft with pilots that have 225/250 hours flight time supported by AWACS and other assets already in the region almost, would wear down Russia pilots pretty fast I think.

I don't think a shooting war like this would ever happen and Russia would draw on assets from other regions. America / NATO does big very well and holding the air around Georgia if forces to is possible for a limited amount of time.

Russian bases in the region would have to be attacked and threats taken away or missile attacks would wear down American / NATO forces over time.

 

[SkolZkiy]

S-300 is capable enough to intercept F-15, F-18 and F-16 of all modifications.

 

[Feanor]

Skolzkiy the thread title is borderline flamebait in my opinion. APA is known to be complete rubbish in most cases. If you want a valid discussion on US ability to suppress a Russian IADS you need to provide a concrete (and realistic) scenario within the confines of which we can examine available assets, OrBat, etc. Otherwise this is a complete waste of time and has the potential to quickly disintegrate into a nationalistic flame war.

EDIT: Title changed.

 

[AegisFC]

You can safely ignore ANYTHING by Air Power Australia, they have an agenda and will publish anything to push that agenda.

Articles like this ignore the reality's of offensive and defensive AEW among other things.

 

[the road runner]

You can safely ignore ANYTHING by Air Power Australia, they have an agenda and will publish anything to push that agenda.

Articles like this ignore the reality's of offensive and defensive AEW among other things.

I fully agree,Kopp and the Goone squad were talking about how the F18E/F,were no match for Russian SU-37 and Mig 35,pitty these aircraft are non existent.Once we signed the contract with Boeing for 24 F18F,he was shown to be discredited on his views of the Super Bugs. Kopp was trying to get a mid life update for F-111C so they could be re engined, have new avionics and APG-79 Asea radar added.The only problem i had with this is his company was trying to get the contract,so he made it sound as if we did not do the upgrade for F-111 our region was in danger.

In my view APA and Kopp n Goone squad are just spin doctors,they make the view to support there agenda.

 

[ROCK45]

2nd link

Once I saw Kopp's name on the second link I knew I was going down that quick read move on route. I can't remember where but I read that this Australia Hornet pilot rip through some article he wrote and from that point I don't pay much attention to him.

 

[SkolZkiy]

And what's the purpose of their publications?? We have in Russia such guys, and there purposes are enough clear (some hate Russia, some make money on this).

 

[SkolZkiy]

Skolzkiy the thread title is borderline flamebait in my opinion. APA is known to be complete rubbish in most cases. If you want a valid discussion on US ability to suppress a Russian IADS you need to provide a concrete (and realistic) scenario within the confines of which we can examine available assets, OrBat, etc. Otherwise this is a complete waste of time and has the potential to quickly disintegrate into a nationalistic flame war.

EDIT: Title changed.

Nothing flameable - just was surprised not only by article and claims in it, but also that nobody has said anything about it. But if these doctor are such as they are described then everything is coming to its places =)

PS Sory for doublepost

 

[Aussie Digger]

And what's the purpose of their publications?? We have in Russia such guys, and there purposes are enough clear (some hate Russia, some make money on this).

They want Australia to cancel the purchases of the F/A-18F Super Hornet and KC-30A tanker and planned purchase of F-35.

They want Australia to upgrade the F-111, acquire additional F-111 airframes from the AMARC "boneyard" and they want the Australian Government to contract Australian Flight Test Services (despite the minor but entirely irrelevent issue that it has been de-registered as a company since 2005) to perform this upgrade. (Australian Flight Test Services was the company Peter Goon and Dr Carlo Kopp - the "editors" of Air Power Australia - owned).

They want Australia to purchase 747-200 freighter aircraft and convert them into boom equipped tankers and they wish for the Australian Government to purchase F-22 Raptors.

They also wish for the Australian Government to pay them royalties for "coming up" with these ideas, should any of them be implemented...

Needless to say, they do not have a lot of credibility...

 

[SkolZkiy]

great guys =)) the most "wow" is

They want Australia to upgrade the F-111, acquire additional F-111 airframes from the AMARC "boneyard" and they want the Australian Government to contract Australian Flight Test Services (despite the minor but entirely irrelevent issue that it has been de-registered as a company since 2005) to perform this upgrade. (Australian Flight Test Services was the company Peter Goon and Dr Carlo Kopp - the "editors" of Air Power Australia - owned

 

[Aussie Digger]

great guys =)) the most "wow" is

They are wonderful.

They are ignored by anyone that actually matters in Australia though (Government and ADF) but they aren't deterred by that at all...

I'm looking forward to seeing what they have to say, once the Super Hornet, KC-30A and F-35 are in-service, the F-111 retired and the F-22 production line shut down...

 

[AegisFC]

I fully agree,Kopp and the Goone squad were talking about how the F18E/F,were no match for Russian SU-37 and Mig 35,pitty these aircraft are non existent.Once we signed the contract with Boeing for 24 F18F,he was shown to be discredited on his views of the Super Bugs. Kopp was trying to get a mid life update for F-111C so they could be re engined, have new avionics and APG-79 Asea radar added.The only problem i had with this is his company was trying to get the contract,so he made it sound as if we did not do the upgrade for F-111 our region was in danger.

In my view APA and Kopp n Goone squad are just spin doctors,they make the view to support there agenda.

I took a look at several of their articles just to see how far out there they are and I stopped when I read one comparing the F-35 to the F-105 Thunderchief.
I can understand wanting Raptors, but currently it is illegal for the US to export them and I doubt that will change any time soon. Fan boys of various stripes who don't like F-35 or the Super Hornet for whatever reason like to latch onto these guys and try to make them seem like a legit source but a cursory glance at their page shows they are bunk.