US lists military deals, special ties with India

P.A.F

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http://www.dawn.com/2004/08/24/top14.htm

NEW DELHI, Aug 23: The United States said on Monday that new military ties with India was a key plank of its emerging policy in South Asia and listed an impressive catalogue of arms deals with New Delhi that would inevitably , even if apparently unintentionally, trigger a fresh round of concerns in Islamabad.

Speaking at the Army War College in Indore, US Charge d'Affaires Robert Blake said recent military cooperation with India included joint training in jungle and mountain warfare, and an offer to sell to New Delhi chemical and biological protection equipment.

Their common quarry was terrorism. "Those who attack our societies, be it in New York, in Washington, in Mumbai, in New Delhi, or in Jammu & Kashmir, must be stopped. We condemn all terrorist violence, and let there be no doubt, we are with you 100 per cent on this issue," Mr Blake declared.

To help promote regional stability in South Asia, the US and India meet regularly to discuss "mutual concerns" in Afghanistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and Bhutan.

"The US also supports continued efforts by India and Pakistan to better their relations," Mr Blake added. A copy of his remarks was made available by the US embassy.

"The relationship between our two countries transcends domestic politics, just as it did during the Clinton-Bush transition in 2001 and the BJP-Congress transition earlier this year," Mr Blake said, signalling a continuity of stable ties with New Delhi regardless of the party in power.

"Without doubt, military cooperation remains one of the most vibrant, visible, and proactive legs powering the transformation of US-India relations. This cooperation succeeds because of the Indian and US military establishments' mutual desire to move our relationship forward," the envoy said.

On the Indian side, there has been a tremendous effort to look to expand areas of mutual benefit, to look for partnerships, not antagonisms, and to look for regional collaboration, he observed. Mr Blake's list of military hardware - both sold and in the pipeline - was impressive.

In July 2003, two AN-TPQ/37 Firefinder counter-battery radars arrived and have been deployed in India. Two more radars, part of a 12 unit $190 million sales agreement under Washington's foreign military sales policy, will soon be deployed, having just completed their final quality testing.

The second major deal under negotiation is for the P-3 Orion naval reconnaissance plane. "US officials describe it as a "3C-plus" meaning the version that would be sold to India would be equipped with the latest avionics, including sensors and computerized command and control and weapons systems," Mr Blake said.

He added that India also plans to buy into the deep submersible rescue vessel (DSRV) system. Meanwhile, GE-404 engines for the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) have already made their way here.

India will also buy $29 million worth of unique and special equipment to enhance the counter-terrorism capabilities of its special forces. They may also purchase chemical and biological protection equipment, he said.

He described as an area of great promise - and one that is of great strategic and commercial importance - the US-India Next Steps in Strategic Partnership initiative, or NSSP launched in January of this year.

This initiative will include expanded engagement on nuclear regulatory and safety issues and missile defence, ways to enhance cooperation in peaceful uses of space technology, and steps to create the appropriate environment for successful high technology commerce.

Pakistan should reconsider it's ties with the US :( we are a bloodly non-nato ally and we don't get weapons like that.
 

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The second major deal under negotiation is for the P-3 Orion naval reconnaissance plane. "US officials describe it as a "3C-plus" meaning the version that would be sold to India would be equipped with the latest avionics, including sensors and computerized command and control and weapons systems," Mr Blake said
ain't pakistan ment to get these :? anyway i'm sure all this is to really piss pakistan & china off big time :mad theres nothing more to it
 

insas556

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Next Steps in Strategic Partnership initiative, or NSSP ,major non-nato ally or MNNA, man the US loves playing with abbreviations.
I wonder which is more heavy NSSP or MNNA.
However we in India still think one should always be a bit sceptical of the US, let us get a few high-tech items and see how it goes.
 

shankercbe

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insas556 said:
Next Steps in Strategic Partnership initiative, or NSSP ,major non-nato ally or MNNA, man the US loves playing with abbreviations.
I wonder which is more heavy NSSP or MNNA.
However we in India still think one should always be a bit sceptical of the US, let us get a few high-tech items and see how it goes.
i agree
 

Roger Smith

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P.A.F said:
Pakistan should reconsider it's ties with the US :( we are a bloodly non-nato ally and we don't get weapons like that.
Basically, as I mentioned in my other postings, it is a POLITICAL FACTOR, why Western countries hesitate to supply new or hi-tech arms and technology to Pakistan.
 

shankercbe

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hey guys .. this plane p-3c orion .. how does it track a sub? and how does it determine that its an enemy sub? and can it attack the sub on its own?
 

srirangan

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>> Pakistan should reconsider it's ties with the US sad we are a
>> bloodly non-nato ally and we don't get weapons like that.

I do not think Pak can afford to reconsider its ties with US. Internationally it doesn't have that much of a choice these days.
 

shankercbe

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highsea said:
P-3C can track subs with sonobuoys and magnetic anomaly detection equipment. It has a range of armament. "20,000 pounds (9 metric tons) of ordnance including:Harpoon (AGM-84D) cruise missile, SLAM (AGM-84E) missiles, Maverick (AGM 65) air-to-ground missiles, MK-46/50 torpedoes, rockets, mines, depth bombs, and special weapons."

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/aircraft/air-p3.html

thanks highsea.. okay so the p-3c orion has to drop the sonobuoys in the sea for tracking the sub right .. and that leaves the question how it would determine that the sub is enemy . can anyone help?
 

Oqaab

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The "Identification Friend or Foe" (IFF) guidence system in the harpoon missile will help in that case.
 

gf0012-aust

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shankercbe said:
.. okay so the p-3c orion has to drop the sonobuoys in the sea for tracking the sub right .. and that leaves the question how it would determine that the sub is enemy . can anyone help?
Each sub has a signature which acts like a fingerprint for any sophisticated system.

If the sig is in the database, then the tracker can identify which specific vessel it is. If the sig is unknown, then the tracker can still identify what platform type it is.

Everytime a sub is tracked it is recorded to create an operational history. It eventually will be tagged - even if it's only given a database number.
 

gf0012-aust

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Oqaab said:
The "Identification Friend or Foe" (IFF) guidence system in the harpoon missile will help in that case.
IFF is a system that is normally on a weapons platform. The weapon itself does not discriminate on target. If the FCS gets it wrong, then the odds are pretty high that they will sink their own vessel. There has been a persistent story that the Russians sank one of their own in a Cold War standoff with a US sub.
 
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