Uh oh...not Wedgetail too!!!???

Magoo

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Well, rumours that the Wedgetail program was in touble appear to have been well-founded, although I suspect the whole story is yet to emerge.

By Max Blenkin, Defence Correspondent
CANBERRA, June 26 AAP - The RAAF's new Wedgetail airborne early warning aircraft face delays in the latest problem to beset Australian Defence Force's high-tech procurement projects.
The first two of six aircraft were initially scheduled for delivery in November, in what has been regularly billed as an exemplary defence project.
But that was then pushed out to early next year, and it now appears to be substantially further away.
A defence spokeswoman today said only that a potential schedule slip in the delivery of the Wedgetail had been identified.
"The Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO) has arranged for the program manager and several key members of his team to meet with Boeing representatives in the United States this week, in order to conduct an evaluation and gauge the impact of any such delay," she said.
A spokesman for Boeing, the Wedgetail prime contractor, said the delivery program was under review.
"We are not on schedule for November and that was announced in January. We are evaluating the program schedule with the Commonwealth in light of progress to date," he said.
No explanation for the delay has been given at this stage.
In its budget brief for 2006-07, the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) cites industry rumours of a possible 12-month delay.
It suggests the problems with the Wedgetail are the same as that have afflicted other Australian high-tech defence project including Collins submarines, over-the-horizon radar and Seasprite helicopters - software integration.
"Any large and technically complex military procurement project carries an element of risk and AEW and C (airborne early warning and control) is no exception," ASPI said. "The most challenging area will be integration of the radar and mission system computing software." This is the task of getting the assorted electronic systems to all work together.
In the case of Wedgetail, the basic systems include the radar, data links, communications, navigation, countermeasures and electronic support measures, as well as aircraft flight-control systems.
Each Wedgetail contains 863 electronic boxes, 300 kilometres of extra wiring and four million lines of software code.
As launch customer, Australia faced substantial risk, essentially buying a product unproven by any other defence force, in a project worth $3.459 billion in 2005 dollars.
The procurement process for Wedgetail was set in train under the former Labor government - to provide a long-desired capability for surveillance over Australia's vast landmass, and sea approaches. Boeing was announced the winner in July 1999, with a contract signed in December 2000.
Under the initial deal, Boeing would supply four of its 737-700 aircraft, each fitted with an advanced Northrop Grumman MESA radar. The government subsequently ordered two extra aircraft.
The first two were to be modified and have their mission systems installed by Boeing in the US, with the other four modified by Boeing Australia, at the RAAF base at Amberley, just outside Brisbane.


I'd heard rumblings about this several weeks ago, although I heard the delay could be as long as two years, but nobody at Boeing nor Defence were talking. I'd also heard that there were studies on CAF's desk for the continuation of the F-111C force through 2012, and that as many as 55 Hornet centre-barrels will be done! I guess they're all inter-related!

No wonder Norm Gray jumped ship to ADI when he did! This one's gonna hurt!!! :(

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Magoo said:
I'd also heard that there were studies on CAF's desk for the continuation of the F-111C force through 2012, and that as many as 55 Hornet centre-barrels will be done! I guess they're all inter-related!

No wonder Norm Gray jumped ship to ADI when he did! This one's gonna hurt!!! :(

Magoo​


well, at least some will be happy about the life extension for the Pig...
 

rjmaz1

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A delay in schedule is not that bad at all. The one thing we'd really be concerned about would be a price increase.

Nearly everything in life suffer delays of some sort. Its only when these delays cost money do have an effect.
 

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rjmaz1 said:
A delay in schedule is not that bad at all. The one thing we'd really be concerned about would be a price increase.

Nearly everything in life suffer delays of some sort. Its only when these delays cost money do have an effect.
Huh??? A TWO YEAR delay in schedule to what has been up till now, a model program, is VERY bad at all! It also means the F-111Cs will need to be extended by two years (as it was a guarantee by CAF AM Shepherd and his predecessor that the Pigs would only be retired in 2010 if ALL the force multiplying elements, i.e. tankers, JASSM, JDAM, Litening AT, HUG, AND AEW&C were in place).

Additionally, the RAAF will have crews and fighter controllers who were supposed to be ready to fly from early next year sitting on their collective a$$es with no operational aircraft to fly. These alone are likely to cost A$1bn+ alone...not to mention how this will affect other networking capabilities.

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NOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
This will make some commentators happy. Combined with the 12 month delay on JSF maybe the interim aircraft is starting to look like more of a possibility (SH possibly) but it validates the decision not to run down the FF-111 before the 2010 cut off.
 

rossfrb_1

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alexsa said:
This will make some commentators happy. Combined with the 12 month delay on JSF maybe the interim aircraft is starting to look like more of a possibility (SH possibly) but it validates the decision not to run down the FF-111 before the 2010 cut off.
Some of those in the know may wish to comment with more certainty, but hasn't the pig fleet almost been run right down already?
Politically, the F-111 has been a dead duck for some years now :(
Regardless of what 'assurances' have been made about retaining it whilst waiting for the JSF, I can't see it happening.

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Defmin NELSON has commented publicly on this "rumour". Here's what he said;


"QUESTION:

Can I turn to the Wedgetail project? There’s been a delay. Is that a problem?


DR NELSON:

It was brought to my attention just under a month ago that the Wedgetail project is facing about an 18 month delay. You can imagine I was not particularly happy with this.
I met with the vice president Jim Albaugh from Boeing when I was in Singapore three weeks ago. I have asked Boeing to give us a remediation or reschedule program for our AWAC aircraft. I’ll be meeting him again in Washington and I’ve made it very clear to Boeing that we want to be absolutely clear about the way ahead. I understand that a number of changes have been made by Boeing. In particular they’ve got a new program manager to support us with it, but in terms of the introduction of the Joint Strike Fighter and the other things that are important to Australia, whilst the delay is disappointing and is something that has concerned me, it will not in any significant way undermine our defence capability.
Let’s just remember that what Australia is doing with the AWACs, as they’re known, is we are acquiring an aircraft that is state of the art. We are amongst the first to acquire and build this aircraft and when you think about that and the MRH-90s and the armed reconnaissance helicopters that we’re also building in Brisbane, this means that we’re going to have a very solid future for defence industries in our own country and in Queensland especially.
[ends]"

Full transcript of speech available at:

http://www.minister.defence.gov.au/NelsonMinTranscripttpl.cfm?CurrentId=5768

DMO and Defence simply can't get their sh*t together. It's what it all boils down to. Australianisation is WELL alive in Defence Procurement. Despite the flowery speeches we refuse to learn from the Seasprite disaster...
 

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From today's Australian Aviation Express

This is from this week's issue of Australian Aviation Express

MAJOR DELAYS LOOMING FOR WEDGETAIL: The RAAF’s Wedgetail AEW&C project is facing massive delays, reportedly due to integration issues uncovered during testing in the US.
Rumours have been circulating throughout Defence circles for several weeks that a delay of up to two years may be on the cards as Boeing and Northrop Grumman struggle with major integration issues.
Boeing Australia representatives said they had been asked to refer all enquiries regarding the project to the ADF.
Defence Minister Dr Brendan Nelson is currently in the US to review several key projects including Wedgetail and the Joint Strike Fighter, and has been accompanied by new Wedgetail program head Air Vice Marshal Chris Deeble. “It was brought to my attention just under a month ago that the Wedgetail project is facing about an 18 month delay,” he told media at Fort Worth. “You can imagine I was not particularly happy with this.
“I have asked Boeing to give us a remediation or reschedule program for our AWAC aircraft,” he added. “I’ve made it very clear to Boeing that we want to be absolutely clear about the way ahead. Whilst the delay is disappointing and is something that has concerned me, it will not in any significant way undermine our defence capability.”
The Boeing 737 based Wedgetail had, until now, been held up as a model project by Defence, one that was on time and on budget, despite its ambitious goals. Fortunately, the Wedgetail deal signed with Boeing in 2000 is a fixed price one, meaning the ADF will not be liable for any cost overruns attributable to any integration issues currently being experienced.
The RAAF has ordered six Wedgetails. The first two are currently conducting systems testing in the US and were due to be delivered early next year, while aircraft three and four are at Amberley in Queensland being modified to Wedgetail configuration. All six aircraft were due to have entered service by late 2009.
A fully operational AEW&C capability was one of several conditions laid down by former Chief of Air Force and current Chief of Defence Force Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston in 2004 for the RAAF to be able to bring forward the retirement of the F-111C strike force from the post 2015 period to 2010. Current Chief of Air Force Air Marshal Geoff Shepherd confirmed to Australian Aviation on June 21 that he had a proposal and risk assessment “on my desk” for a two year extension of the F-111C fleet out to 2012.

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Occum

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What makes senior officials believe that bad news gets better with age?

Boeing advised of potential and reasons for delays last year. Formal advice was provided to Department back in January this year. Defence apparantly instructed Boeing to keep things quiet.

Minister says he was told last month.

Such a delay in a program of this nature is not to be unexpected, due to the developmental risks and complexity. However, keeping such advice from those who are ultimately responsible only makes matters worse.

One could be forgiven for asking when it is they are going to learn this basic tenet in project management?
 
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