UAE Air Force - opinions

[pezfez]

well i just wanted to get everyones concensus/opinion whether the uae af is the 2nd most advanced (after the US) in the world right now, forigve the pilot's training. so basing solely on a/c:

80 F-16 Blk 60 *
63 Mirage 2000-9 *
? Bae hawk and mako Alpha Jet trainer/fighter *
Cn-295 for transport
E-2C Hawkeye awacs

*on order, some delivered

my reasoning is that no country has TWO technologically advanced multi-role fighters that r the top of the line in their aircraft series, blk 60 and dash 9, in their inventory with quantity and quality

 

[yasin_khan]

ya they got good in quality and quantity but they r not the 2nd best in the world after USAF.the role of both aircrafts are clear here that f-16 are mainly for multi role and mirages r for interceptions.
perfez
it is very important to see that how the pilot is trained.if he is trained well then he can do well from a crap but if he is not trained well then he cant do with the latest technology.
i think that the 2nd no af goes to IAI.

 

[P.A.F]

i wouldn't say that there the 2nd best, but they r in the top 10-15.

 

[adsH]

well i just wanted to get everyones concensus/opinion whether the uae af is the 2nd most advanced (after the US) in the world right now, forigve the pilot's training. so basing solely on a/c:

80 F-16 Blk 60 *
63 Mirage 2000-9 *
? Bae hawk and mako Alpha Jet trainer/fighter *
Cn-295 for transport
E-2C Hawkeye awacs

*on order, some delivered

my reasoning is that no country has TWO technologically advanced multi-role fighters that r the top of the line in their aircraft series, blk 60 and dash 9, in their inventory with quantity and quality

we have EF200 and latest Derivatives of the Tornados!! i am sure those count as High-tech AC, and we have a fighter strength of a thousand Combat ready Fighters, that can be launched from any where on the face of this world when placed on the Aircraft carriers, we have AWACS Support. People here just miss out RAF this Pisses me.

I think the USAF is expected to Have RAPTORS and i think it will be in BULK replacing all there F-15, you do the math how many F-15 does the USAF have in there inventory.

 

[P.A.F]

I agree with ya man. RAF is good

 

[Aussie Digger]

What about the French air force and Navy? Rafale, several variants of Mirage 2000, E-2C Hawkeye AND E-3C Sentry. What about Germany? EF2000 Typhoon, Tornado (including ECR-90 SEAD version, the most capable SEAD aircraft in the world) E3C Sentry? Japan? F-15J and Mitsubishi F-2 (upgraded and Japanese manufactured version of F-16) and E-767 AWACS (said to be more advanced tha E-3 Sentry)... The UAE has some excellent and very capable aircraft, but as an airforce there are many that rate more highly than it. Not to mention the RAF, lest ADSH become more pi**ed off

 

[adsH]

What about the French air force and Navy? Rafale, several variants of Mirage 2000, E-2C Hawkeye AND E-3C Sentry. What about Germany? EF2000 Typhoon, Tornado (including ECR-90 SEAD version, the most capable SEAD aircraft in the world) E3C Sentry? Japan? F-15J and Mitsubishi F-2 (upgraded and Japanese manufactured version of F-16) and E-767 AWACS (said to be more advanced tha E-3 Sentry)... The UAE has some excellent and very capable aircraft, but as an airforce there are many that rate more highly than it. Not to mention the RAF, lest ADSH become more pi**ed off

Hey i love RAF in my view they are one of the best, they spend alot on personnel training, and i also love the fact that Air-crewmen are given equal respect to there ground support personnel like engineers (as i do hope to be one someday :lol). without the ground support personnel theses brilliant 4-5 gen AC wouldn't be able to fly, so i respect RAF for there generous training expenditure and career development opportunities that they provide for all parts of the AF. I still think the Royal navy has better career development programs in place (that actually help after you become civilian )

well and now the French and the german Airforce. well to be honest i don't give a Jack S** about them!! RAF is more of interest to me!! I regard French are german AF's as kindergarden forces compared to RAF and USAF.

 

[Aussie Digger]

Once again ADSH, my comments weren't directed at you. I agree that the RAF is one of the most capable forces in the world at present (though decisions like the one "not" to include a datalink during the AMRAAM integration on the Tornado, thus reducing the AMRAAM to little more then a WVR missile defies belief...), but I think you are underestimating the French and German Air Forces at present. The French in particular is at least as advanced as the RAF and I believe numerically superior, much as I hate to say it...

 

[yasin_khan]

ya germans have got ef 2000 but not in large nos.fench air force is also good bcoz they got rafle m,mirage2000,mirage4,super enterad etc but i think royal air force is better then both bcoz of their trainings of pilots and they got planes in good nos.

 

[corsair7772]

Its not money that makes an airforce. Its a lot of gut renching training and experience. And I think the israelis and pakistanis have plenty of that which is why theu are usually rated as the best and second best respectively performace wise, equipment is another story.

 

[pezfez]

well germany is gonna get 180 eurofighters, 2nd after raf, but raf is probably gonna cut their order to below 180

and right now raf just plain sucks, but in future will be good if they get the eurofighter and jsf

still, uae has TWO advanced a/c, though i forgot about japan, so i put the uae 3rd best af in terms a/c

corsair7772, i know pilots and training count, i was just looking at it with an a/c perspective, which i pointed out at the start

 

[yasin_khan]

pezfez
you r not up to date with german air force,they are cutting the order of euro fighter 2000 from 180 to 140 and the last delevery is aspected in 2008.

 

[yasin_khan]

corasair7772
you r absoultly right that Pakistanis and Israelis are trained well.Islaelis are trained well but they also got some good stuf like F-16i
,F-15 a\c egale , F-15 e strike egale etcbut we Pakistanis have only good pilots with lots of flying hours but no planes accept F-16 a\b. :cry

 

[adsH]

well germany is gonna get 180 eurofighters, 2nd after raf, but raf is probably gonna cut their order to below 180

and right now raf just plain sucks, but in future will be good if they get the eurofighter and jsf

still, uae has TWO advanced a/c, though i forgot about japan, so i put the uae 3rd best af in terms a/c

corsair7772, i know pilots and training count, i was just looking at it with an a/c perspective, which i pointed out at the start

look Pezfez how the hell do we suck RAF has Upto date Tornado's (tornados came into service around in 1990) in service we have all the mordern missile weapon systems (Except Sat guided ammunitions), and i do have to admit that the French have some high tech AC but we have EF2000 and had then for the Last two year we have had two squadrons Of the EF2000, RAF has AWACS and Airborn refueling. the germans are brillaint on there training to but they have a more stringent criteria for selection so naturally they would have more higer quality pilots.

 

[Aussie Digger]

ADSH, the RAF has recently signed a contract for Paveway IV precision guided weapons kits which are an advanced combined laser/Sat guided munition, so they possess them too (or at least they soon will)...

 

[adsH]

ADSH, the RAF has recently signed a contract for Paveway IV precision guided weapons kits which are an advanced combined laser/Sat guided munition, so they possess them too (or at least they soon will)...

i was abit amazed to learn that it was netherlands or one of the small European nations were the first countries in Europe to acquire Sat guided Missile delivery. I guess the US was not a big fan of the idea.

when did RAF aquire Sat guided capability.

 

[Aussie Digger]

The RAF already operates Enhanced Paveway II, which is the standard Paveway II upgraded with a GPS seeker capability to provide all-weather dual mode (Laser or GPS) seeker capability. RAF reportedly dropped Enhanced Paveway over Iraq last year, and was very satisfied with the results. PAveway IV is due in RAF service in 2007. The contract according to the Raytheon website was signed in June 2003. Cheers.

 

[Salman78]

Does anyone know about any specific details about Pakistan & UAE's understanding that in case of a war UAE will lend PAF some of its planes including both M-2000 and F-16 ???

I was talking to a PAF pilot (squadron leader) and he acknowledged that too.

 

[yasin_khan]

Does anyone know about any specific details about Pakistan & UAE's understanding that in case of a war UAE will lend PAF some of its planes including both M-2000 and F-16 ???

I was talking to a PAF pilot (squadron leader) and he acknowledged that too.

I dont think so. :cry

 

[XEROX]

Why do some pakistanis in defencetalk think Soudi Arabia will help them in war time???????????