Turkish Military

[Shadowkilla]

Hey wassup everyone. Alright so I have a few questions regarding the Turkish military. The G3 rifle is currently their stand issued assault rifle, are they going to replace this with the H&K 416? If so then when? If not, then what would they replace it with?

Another question is, does and if they do, what is the name of the Turkey's light infantry, their own elite commando unit. Just how there is the US Army Rangers, Italy's 4th Alpini Parachutist Regiment, Britain's Royal Marines, etc. What is the Turkish equivalent?
Thanks in advance

 

[omer.842]

There are 5 Commando Brigades also known as Blue Berets in the Turkish Army. Commandos are special trained soldiers with 6 month additional land warfare trainings in known schools as Foça, Burdur, Egirdir or Kayseri Commando School. In Eğirdir (Isparta) there is a Commando training school specialized in mountain climbing and mountain warfare. In Kayseri there is an Air Mobile Commando school specialized in airborne landings. In Foça, there is a commando school specialized in combined arms. All soldiers graduated will have a blue beret[citation needed]. The Commando brigades include:
1st Commando Brigade Kayseri (Airborne)
2nd Commando Brigade Bolu
3rd Commando Brigade Siirt
4th Commando Brigade Tunceli
Mountain and Commando Brigade Hakkari.


Turkish Light Infantry. I believe.

 

[T.C.P]

Over 400 PKK were killed in the current operations run by the Turkish military-

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[AtmacA]

A Turkish state-owned arms company MKE will produce its own licensed rifle called MPT-2 abbreviation of National Infanrty Rifle in Turkish.That rifle will reach the standards of a HK-417 as I heard.

 

[surpreme]

Turkey military appears weak. Just recently PKK insurgents hit numerous targets on the border killing 24 soldiers. To support my point I raised these issue that I don't understand. Why and how the PKK kill 24 soldiers? The Turkish military had been fighting the PKK since 1984 dont have effective counter insurgent plan. The Turkey military should have been prepared for such an attack by the PKK. The military response with a offensive. The operation did not demonstrate any new tactics such as communication and intelligence warfare as done by US Forces. Turkey forces suppose to be better than this.

 

[AtmacA]

Turkey military appears weak. Just recently PKK insurgents hit numerous targets on the border killing 24 soldiers. To support my point I raised these issue that I don't understand. Why and how the PKK kill 24 soldiers? The Turkish military had been fighting the PKK since 1984 dont have effective counter insurgent plan. The Turkey military should been prepared for such an attack by the PKK. The military response with a offensive. The operation did not demonstrate any new tactics such as communication and intelligence warfare as done by US Forces. Turkey forces suppose to be better than this.

You're right Supreme" we have certain mistakes but the matter seems more about politics.-

Despite army heavily attacked with PKK,Govt seems eager to negotiate with PKK to stop armed conflict like IRA and UK did.

Govt wanted army to reduce ops while negotations started at 2009 and PKK threat has grown in last two years.

Otherwise veterans of some rival countries seem to train terrorist with hi-tech mines and anti-air weapons.PKK used to have many Docka in country and they use these heavy weapons in ambushes due to lack of intel.

Now PKK has a new policy about hiding ,they hide in villages like villagers and if army intends to kill them they say its a shooting to civilian to world media.Then we face a pressure form human rights organizations and other countries.

Number of helicopters and UAV's in military inventory is so low,and electronic intelligence is not enough.The areas PKK has some influence is full of mountains like Afghanistan and that's another disadvantage.

There is some projects to product Armed UAV's and Helicopters inside the country.So army is uneager to import these weapons in high numbers due to high costs.

TSK(Turkish Armed Forces)is about to buy 6 of MQ-1 Predators and 9 of A-129 Fibonacci helies and that seems a temporary solution.

Right after ATAK project provide us 140 modern helicopters,and ANKA project provide a large number of armed uav's army will get stronger against terrorist threats.

But the main problem is projects about to finish by 2014 or 2015,that means these 3 years will be hard for us.

 

[CheeZe]

Turkey military appears weak. Just recently PKK insurgents hit numerous targets on the border killing 24 soldiers. To support my point I raised these issue that I don't understand. Why and how the PKK kill 24 soldiers? The Turkish military had been fighting the PKK since 1984 dont have effective counter insurgent plan. The Turkey military should been prepared for such an attack by the PKK. The military response with a offensive. The operation did not demonstrate any new tactics such as communication and intelligence warfare as done by US Forces. Turkey forces suppose to be better than this.

Hey mate, the US fought against insurgents in the Philippines (1899-1913), in Vietnam. With all that experience, especially Vietnam, you'd think the US would have a manual for what to do in Iraq and Afghanistan. I remind the honorable members of this forum, US advisors arrived in 1950 and did not leave until 1975.

Yet the world's best military has yet to finish off al-Qaeda. Even with all of its cutting edge technology and sophisticated tactics.

I'm not saying this to poo-poo on the US. I'm saying this to refute the implication that Turkey is weak because it's not got the latest tech or newest tactics. I'm pointing out that the US does not have the best track record for counter-insurgency. Defeating counter-insurgents requires a lot more specialised training and equipment than most countries can afford.

Look at the Tamil Tigers and Sri Lanka. How long did it take to end that conflict? '83-'09. The Russians in Chechnya, the French armies in the Peninsula War, the Pakistanis against al-Qaeda, the Filipinos against Islamic insurgents, FARC and Colombia. Dealing with counter-insurgencies or an enemy who relies on guerilla warfare is difficult and costly in terms of personnel and materiel. As we can see from the American example, the learning curve requires a very long process, a high price in blood, and a lot of money to waste.

So, in short, Supreme, don't be the pot calling the kettle black. Perhaps not your intention but it does come off that way a lot.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Turkey military appears weak. Just recently PKK insurgents hit numerous targets on the border killing 24 soldiers. To support my point I raised these issue that I don't understand. Why and how the PKK kill 24 soldiers? The Turkish military had been fighting the PKK since 1984 dont have effective counter insurgent plan. The Turkey military should have been prepared for such an attack by the PKK. The military response with a offensive. The operation did not demonstrate any new tactics such as communication and intelligence warfare as done by US Forces. Turkey forces suppose to be better than this.

This post is borderline trolling. It's also likely to be your first and last warning to lift the quality of your posts and your stye of engagement.

 

[surpreme]

Hey mate, the US fought against insurgents in the Philippines (1899-1913), in Vietnam. With all that experience, especially Vietnam, you'd think the US would have a manual for what to do in Iraq and Afghanistan. I remind the honorable members of this forum, US advisors arrived in 1950 and did not leave until 1975.

Yet the world's best military has yet to finish off al-Qaeda. Even with all of its cutting edge technology and sophisticated tactics.

I'm not saying this to poo-poo on the US. I'm saying this to refute the implication that Turkey is weak because it's not got the latest tech or newest tactics. I'm pointing out that the US does not have the best track record for counter-insurgency. Defeating counter-insurgents requires a lot more specialised training and equipment than most countries can afford.

Look at the Tamil Tigers and Sri Lanka. How long did it take to end that conflict? '83-'09. The Russians in Chechnya, the French armies in the Peninsula War, the Pakistanis against al-Qaeda, the Filipinos against Islamic insurgents, FARC and Colombia. Dealing with counter-insurgencies or an enemy who relies on guerilla warfare is difficult and costly in terms of personnel and materiel. As we can see from the American example, the learning curve requires a very long process, a high price in blood, and a lot of money to waste.

So, in short, Supreme, don't be the pot calling the kettle black. Perhaps not your intention but it does come off that way a lot.

You bring up some good points. Which are true facts. I didn't want to come off on them like that just expected a better military operation. One thing you must learn from your mistakes. The US military learn alot from its past. If you look at what happen to Russian military in its fight against Chechnya rebels it learn from it past and went back did it better. If you look at the way the US when into Afghanistan in 2001 it went with SF. If you look at Afghan now the insurgents haven't conducted a strong ground offensive. Counter insurgency is very hard to do and requires changes as you go along. You have to look at the area, the training of insurgents and much more.

 

[Jhom]

The succes of guerrillas is closely linked with terrain advantage and knowledge, this can be mostly of three types.

A) Mountainous terrain: like for example Afpak and Chechnya, and in this case Kurdistan.

B) Jungle terrain: pretty obvious this one, hundreds of examples from NVA and the VC to the FARC or the Tamil Tigers.

C) Urban areas: usualy linked to religion and/or ethnic conflicts, the West Bank, Gaza, Iraq are a few that come to my mind.

The kurds will always have the high ground, and that is a basic military advantage that guerrillas usually exploit in their benefit... and there is almost nothing you neither Turkey can do about it