To My Fellow Friends: I'm in need of your help. It is about the coup plot of C-Laos.

[Gue]

Nine Californians were arrested for plotting against the communist government of Laos. The former general Vang Pao and Harrison Jack happened to be two of the nine suspects.

General Vang Pao is a well respected leader of the Hmong community. He led a special CIA-backed unit consisted of Hmong soldiers during the Vietnam War. Under strict orders from CIA agents, he led secret mission to rescue downed pilots in hostile territory. Many of the missions given to him could range from rescue mission to full scale assault if necessary. General Vang Pao and his men were allies of the United States and its allies.

Harrison Jack happened to be a well respected person as well. He is a retired California National Guard Lt. Col. in the U.S. army. According to an article written by Don Thompson in FOXNews.com, “Jack worked full-time doing strategic planning for the California National Guard after retiring from active duty as a lieutenant colonel about 10 years ago… He recently established the Hmong Emergency Relief Organization, a nonprofit committed to supporting the Hmong community. He also is president of the nonprofit Youth Development Academies of America… In March, Jack was hired by Yolo County, near Sacramento, as an ombudsman to help employees who have concerns or problems with county officials. He earned a bachelor's degree in engineering from West Point.”

The point is… why are they doing this?
Reasons could also be found here: factfinding.org/media.html
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To my understanding, they are doing this because of the ugly issues created from the Vietnam War. Many of these issues are still in existence today. Such problems could be link to the massacres of innocent Hmong civilians in Laos as recent as 2006. The last five years have been very rough on the Hmong community as well as those who are left behind in Laos and Thailand and those who are scattered all over other nations of this world. Many Hmong people moaned of their lost as theirs relatives and left-behind family members were slaughtered in the massacres. There are even videos and pictures of this terrible aftermath in many of the Hmong websites.

Some people said that there are two "secret wars." One during the Vietnam War and one after the Vietnam War.

I’m afraid the images are too disturbance for me to show them to you in this forum. I am bond with the forum rules on not to show those kind of pictures and videos.

Evidents and communist Vietnamese camps could be found on this website: B]factfinding.org/media.html[/B]
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And also, there might be other reasons why the suspects planned this. I can assure you that they are not terrorists. For every action, there would be a reaction. And I believe that the reaction is what these respected people are doing. They are doing it out of despair and of all of the suffering they had undertaken in the Vietnam War and the terrible events that would soon fellow. I know that they are doing something that is very wrong and illegal, but they had their reasons. I am not saying that it is a right decision. And again, I know what they are doing. By doing what they are going to do, they would break the Neutrality Act. But who said that some of the Hmong people are in a state of neutrality? They are not, at least not toward communism in their new founded homeland which they had lived in for decades which would be soon overrun by communist rules after the Vietnam War.

After the United States packed their bags and left Vietnam, the communists Vietnamese wanted revenge for damaged done to them during the battle between the France and Vietnamese and so, they later murdered innocents Laotians, the majority of which were Hmong. The Vietnamese were angry at the Hmong, and why… because they helped out the France and later the United States when America entered the war.

At first Laos wasn’t a communist nation. It was a republic created for the people of Laos. Well, the communist Vietnamese came and changed all of that. The communist government in Laos today is formed by the effort of communist Vietnamese after the Vietnam War when the U.S. has left. But it is not entirely communist; there are still resistances in Laos.

Well, I would like to stay until I finished, but I must go to sleep now. If you guys would like to make a comment, please do so. I would be here to answer your questions. I wouldn’t care if the comment is insulting; I just want to hear you out. Supporters are welcome. Well, good night.

Gue,
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Work Cited

Don Thompson. “9 Charged in Laotian Overthrow Plot.” Fox News.
4 June 2007. Fox News. 4 JUNE 2007
<http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Jun04/0,4670,LaosPlot,00.html>

 

[Gue]

Lost chapters of the Vietnam Wars to the coup plot of June 4, 2007

This is part of the text from my MySpace blog.

I do not intend to self-promote myself in this article. I want the people to hear what I have to say in this so-called coup to overthrow the communist government of Laos on June 4, 2006. By all respects, this is only an opinion:

"General Vang Pao and many others were arrested for plotting against the communist Laotian government on U.S. soil. They could face life in prison."

I believe that general Vang Pao is doing this to help the trapped Hmong people of Laos. From the past five years, Hmong people in Laos are reported missing, raped, murdered, or abused. Amnesty International tried to talk to the Laotian government, but they denied most of charges put upon them. They said that the evidences were faked. I strongly go against their claims. No, these evidences of raped, mutilated, badly abused, and blown-up bodies were no work of the Hmong in Laos. They don't have the proper tools to pull this up. Even today's professionals had trouble with such content! Some can't even reproduce the photos. I also believe that there are a lot more massacres of the Hmong people than those reported by the Hmong people, journalists, and people of Laos and Thailand.

The communist government of Laos may even have extermination camps for mass murdering of Hmong people. Let's not permit this! Whatever terrible things may be hiding in Laos is still a controversial mystery today. It may even be a small version of the Holocaust of the Jews people!

I think general Vang Pao is doing "what any responsible leader should do" when his people are at the border of death. Trapped Hmongs have no access to medical supply and food was hard to find.

Many veterans of the Vietnam War should know - general Vang Pao is a responsible and respected person. Beside from Vang Pao's drug business, he is a good man through the bone.

General Vang Pao's drug business in the Vietnam War could be links to the poor economic of the Hmong people. The Hmong people are so poor that they ate only rice and salt for dinner. Every breakfast, lunch, and dinner was a feast. They traveled many miles to get their rice and water from their farm and river. Many starved and died.

Even to this day, communist Laotian troops are hunting for Hmong people in Laos. The "secret war" is not over yet. (There were two secret wars) The second "secret war" lasted to this very day. The war started when massive forces of the communist Vietcong and Laotian government invaded Hmong villages and raped and killed thousands of Hmong people after the United States had left the Vietnam War and abandoned the Hmong people to their fate. Some Hmong people replied with counter assaults of their own, but were soon crushed. Many escaped to Thailand and were later raped and abused by Thai officials. Many Hmong people knew that the Thai government would not kill them. The valuables of many of these Hmong people were stolen from them as... a free passes to Thailand. With their hasty escape to Thailand, many mothers were forced to left their babies behind; the cry of the babies might give away the position of all the Hmong people who were involved in the runaway. They were running away from the fate that the United States had left them for! The mothers of these left-behind babies still moaned for their lost even to this day.

The Hmong community is still recovering from the shock from general Vang Pao's arrest. I am sure they would speck about this so-called coup and of the tragic plight of the Hmong in Laos. Their past memories haunted their lives to this very day, and they dreamed of going back to Laos to fight for their people – the old generation of Hmong.

About the Hmong hunter who is accused of multiple murders during a past case:
Some Hmong people may act on instinct when they go hunting in the forest; old Vietnam War instincts. Many Hmong people used to hunt for food in their old days. Some may not know the rules and regulations for hunting in the wild. I encourage the government to teach the Hmong people about this. Some Hmong people can't even speck and understand English. Some only understand a little English. They would need translator. A Hmong person who is alone in the forest while he is hunting could be easily killed without anyone knowing about his death... when he is up against 6 and more people who seem to be aggressive. I can not take the Hmong hunter's side nor the other hunters' side in this argument. My love goes to all the people who are involved in this case.

I also believe that Ly Lu should be the Hmong person who would be named after school and park and not general Vang Pao. Ly Lu, a pilot of the Vietnam War, is the most respected Hmong figure in the Hmong community besides Vang Pao. Back in the Vietnam War Ly Lu flied 10 missions a day to support the Hmong people and the United States. My mom told me that... he was fearless and is not afraid in the face danger when all hopes are lost. He was a great person of great deeds.

"The wrong doing of the few should not be put upon the rest."-From the voices of the Hmong Americans.

“I also hope that the wrong doings of the few should not be put upon the rest.” - Gue

 

[gf0012-aust]

I have to confess that i know very little of the current laotian political climate.

but i do have high regard for the hmong and montagnards and think they were shabbily abandoned.

 

[Gue]

After the "Secret War" of the Vietnam War in which the Hmong people were involved, another "secret war" tooks place in the jungles of Laos. This war between the communist Laotian government and the Hmong people lasted to this very day. Some believes that the Vietcong are helping the communist Laotian government to exterminate these Hmong people in hiding.

Maybe this year, there would be more massacres of Hmong people because... the communist Laotian government could use the so-called coup planned by General Vang Pao as an excuss to attack the Hmong people still in hiding.

There are possiblilities that the Laotian government may have secret extermination camps in remote areas of Laos:
A small version of the Holocaust?

Laotian government accused General Vang Pao as a terrorist:
Patriotism or terrorism?

 

[Gue]

gf0012-aust,

If you would like to learn more about the Hmong people, you could find it from this website: jefflindsay.com/Hmong_tragedy.html

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[StingrayOZ]

Do you have any evidence of The Vietnamese meddling recently in affairs? I would have thought after Cambodia and the massive issues that happened their they would have kept well out since the 80's.

No doubt the US is very touchy about getting involved in South east asia regime change. For the same reasons.

I would like to know of any developments in this area. Have they been arrested and charged under terrorist laws?

Again like GF I know very little/none about Laos and its politics. But I am planning to go to the region in the not to distant future.

 

[Gue]

StingrayOZ,

If you would like to visit Laos in the future, I am not sure that you would be able to find much information about the extermination of the Hmong people, unless you could provide support for those people that you are going to ask for help about the wrong doings of the government. The communist government is pretty brutal when it comes to civilians talking about the wrong doings of their government. But for what I would know for sure, is that when you got there, you would feel the icy chill of the remote areas. You would feel the "mystery" in the air, and notice that something is not right. During the night, the mountain range would looks very... weird. I had never visited Laos, but I was born in nearby Thailand though. I came to the United States when I was at the age of 2. I recalled this from the past experiences that I had from talking with some of the Hmong people in the United States.

Take a look for yourself (If you want to):
Go to YouTube and search for "Hmong murdered" or "Hmong Dying."

You would see in it, children with their stomach sliced open and guts pouring out of it, and more. The videos are so horrible... If you knew the Hmong language, it would even be more shocking. For what could I use to explain the content... I am not sure what I should call it beside "horrible" and "shocking." The word could even be out of this world.

My prayers goes to all the Hmong people who are involved in those wrong doings of the standing communist government. All I would hope for, is that the genocide would stop.

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[Gue]

There are still communist Vietnamese soldiers in Laos, usually in remote areas.

There are evidents here in this website:

factfinding.org/media.html
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[Mark Reichel]

You are right on the mark

I am Mark Reichel, an attorney here in Sacramento. I represent LoCha Thao, a defendnat in the federal criminal case. Thao is 34, from Clovis, CA., and alleged to be a "ringleader" in this case.

I am up tonight researching the case. I am looking in to when the Bush Administration learned of this matter, and why they did not stop the person involved from going further when the undercover ATF Agent was setting them up.

This case is the ultimate betrayal by the Americans of a people whom we owe a great deal.

Thanks for your interest.

Mark Reichel
Attorney at Law
916 498 9258

 

[Grand Danois]

This is getting weird and not really a defence topic. I'm locking it.