The Archangel Of All Fubars

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RubiconNZ

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Simple fact is the FA18 is much easier cheaper faster to service, F14 required lots of maitenance and had low availibility, as to range and payload well thats a different matter, but hey thats the world in a fiscally challenging enviroment lots of cuts where their shouldn't be
 
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Archangel Of All Fubars

Sadly, the F-14s have been retired from service. Vale to a fine jet.

The salient points in this article are what pilots have to say about Super Hornet performance.

The Archangel of all FUBARS is what is happening down in Oz.

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http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/10/retired-raaf-vicemarshal-abandon-f35-buy-f22s/index.php

Rumour has it that "Angus, JB and that other bloke who says he doesn't know what he doesn't know" now want the Super Hornet as a stop gap for the JSF.

As for the Raptor, according to Denis Hughes, the aerospace adviser to the Minister for Defence, they say they haven't asked about the F-22; either for the price, the aircraft's capabilities or whether the US will sell it to Australia because "they just don't want the F-22 and if they were to ask questions like this, people might think they want it and they just don't".

Funny kind of behaviour.


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Mod edit: This topic as Magoo has rightly pointed out has been done to death. If you wish to continue this sort of discussion, please go and look at some of the other threads (F-111 2020, RAAF upgrades etc). IF you can think of another argument that hasn't already been stated in those threads you're doing better than me. Please feel free to post in them with your thoughts, but unless you can present a new perspective, it might be a bit lonely there...

Personally I'm sick of the whole issue and cannot believe Carlo KOPP etc can't find something more useful to do than dig up arguments they've already lost.

Please get back on topic guys. Cheers AD.
 
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Magoo

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LeoneLion said:
Sadly, the F-14s have been retired from service. Vale to a fine jet.

The salient points in this article are what pilots have to say about Super Hornet performance.

The Archangel of all FUBARS is what is happening down in Oz.

See -


http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/10/retired-raaf-vicemarshal-abandon-f35-buy-f22s/index.php

Rumour has it that "Angus, JB and that other bloke who says he doesn't know what he doesn't know" now want the Super Hornet as a stop gap for the JSF.

As for the Raptor, according to Denis Hughes, the aerospace adviser to the Minister for Defence, they say they haven't asked about the F-22; either for the price, the aircraft's capabilities or whether the US will sell it to Australia because "they just don't want the F-22 and if they were to ask questions like this, people might think they want it and they just don't".

Funny kind of behaviour.


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You know what's REALLY funny??? You copying an old article written by a self-confessed former Grumman designer and a former F-14 pilot, then backing that up with an article which quotes a sacked former AVM and another article by Carlo Kopp. HEAPS of credibility there.

And, who the hell are "Angus, JB and that other bloke who says he doesn't know what he doesn't know"???

Admins - we all know where this is headed - another F/A-18 vs F-35 vs F-22 thread. Hasn't this already been done to death?!?!?


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Magoo said:
Admins - we all know where this is headed - another F/A-18 vs F-35 vs F-22 thread. Hasn't this already been done to death?!?!?


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Could not agree more. Yet another claim that all other airplanes in the western world are rubbish compared to the F-22.
 
Todjaeger

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Just felt the urge to toss my US$0.02 in...

From an AW&ST article I read yesterday, the US will currently NOT sell the F-22 to anyone. Granted, in time the US might allow foreign sales, that doesn't look like it will be anytime soon. So any discussion of non-US F-22 Raptor purchases is, for the time being, moot.

Incidentally, read through the F-14D vs. F-18 E/F article. Given the situations discussed (heavy bombing in Afghanistan) the article appears to be about five years old, so it is a bit out of date. Also, comparing operations over Kosovo between the B-2 (long-range stealthly strategic strike) and F-14D short-medium range tactical strike is disingenius. The platforms are used in different methods, for different air environments.

Also, as I understand it one of the problems with the F-14 that was not mentioned in the article is avionics. The present avionics that were aboard the F-14 wouldn't support the new ASRAAM and AMRAAM missles, and most likely would have needed to be replaced in order to use current and upcoming standoff munitions. Between the maintenance needs for an F-14 and the cost in time, money and effort to upgrade/replace the avionics, it evidently was deemed "not worthwhile" to keep the Tomcat around.
 
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hot222

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I believe that F-14, should remain in fleet, with a major modernization (as descibed in the article, plus radar, ECM, etc., which are available off the self). It's hardly to find (or build) a good fighter like that! Moreover F/A-18 is from the beggining an average fighter.
 
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hot222 said:
I believe that F-14, should remain in fleet, with a major modernization (as descibed in the article, plus radar, ECM, etc., which are available off the self). It's hardly to find (or build) a good fighter like that! Moreover F/A-18 is from the beggining an average fighter.
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Too late, the F-14s are GONE! The Supers are in service and doing good work. Next subject please... :rolleyes:

Magoo

Mod edit: Good advice. This topic is discussed in plenty of other threads. There's no need for a new one to be started.
 
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Todjaeger

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Magoo said:
Too late, the F-14s are GONE! The Supers are in service and doing good work. Next subject please... :rolleyes:

Magoo
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As Magoo said, the Tomcat is gone. Last combat mission was Feb. 8th, and I believe the aircraft itself was decommissioned Sept. 22nd. The only F-14s currently still in service (maybe...) are in the Iranian airforce. New topic please.
 
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