Tanks and fire support vehicles in COIN ops

adroth

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Aside from examples from the Vietnam War, can anyone here share how various countries use tanks and other fire support vehicles in counter insurgency operations?

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One of the largest, if not the largest, post WWII use of light tanks and fire support vehicles in the Philippines occurred during the Kauswagan-to-Camp Abubakar offensive against the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (yes . . . MILF) back in 2000.

During that period, the MILF leadership fell into the trap that their forefathers got themselves into -- 30 years earlier -- when they fell for their own propaganda about the strength of their forces; organized themselves along conventional lines; and even started building crude fortifications. The last time they tried doing this was in the 70s. The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) at the time soundly decimated their forces.

The AFP of the 21st century, was more than willing to remind them of their past folly. The Philippine officer corps, which oddly enough is still largely schooled in conventional warfare tactics despite the absence of conventional conflict since the Korean War, salivated at the opportunity to fight the way they were trained.

One by one, the various hard points, a large portion of which were built near the Narciso Ramos Highway, fell one by one to combined arms units that brought the Philippine Marine V-300s and Philippine Army Scorpions Light/Reece tanks into combat en-masse for the first time.

In the end, the MILF -- which had no armored vehicles, but had RPGs -- were no contest. The main base, Camp Abubakar, fell in July, and we had our own version of the Iwo Jima flag raising.

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Is anyone here aware of similar events in other country's COIN wars?
 
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Waylander

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Current examples are various conflicts in Africa which often include a mass of different AFVs and fire support while even the conflicts between different countries sometimes look more like big scale insurgencies.
Kongo for example or the bush wars including Angola, Namibia and South Africa as well as the bush wars in Rhodesia.
Seriously Africa (And to some extent South America) may provide you with dozens of conflicts which were insurgencies (or looked like insurgencies) and included lots of AFVs.

Other examples were one can get lots of infos about is the current situation in Iraq (Lots of western and eastern AFVs), Afghanistan (Some western AFVs as well as some eastern ones in service with ANA) or Russias attempt to pacify its rebellious region of chechnya.

The Sovjet try to pacify A-stan also included lots of AFVs and this approach looked fine when it began. Armored/mechanized formations closing the important approaches and sending heavy convoys deeper into the country while airborn infantry captured the capital and other important points.

The Kosovo conflict also included lots of serbian AFVs (as well as 2 captured T-55 in use with the Albanians :D ).

The other conflicts in former Yugoslavia (Mainly in and around Bosnia) also can be an example but there it is sometimes hard to tell were and insurgency began and regular combat ended.

During the problems in Ireland the Brits used some modified, armored trucks as well as some APCs.

Maybe our Indian and Pakistani members can give some interesting info about the vehicles used in the Kashmir region.

Trying to inform yourself about all these conflicts may give something to do for years if you want to go into details... :D
 

DavidDCM

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I'm not an expert on it, but I guess one of the biggest COIN-operations including massive tank and AFV usage was Chechnya? It led to the development of such vehicles like the BMP-T or the BTR-T. I guess the Russians made similar experiences like the Israelis there.
 

Chino

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Aside from examples from the Vietnam War, can anyone here share how various countries use tanks and other fire support vehicles in counter insurgency operations?
Hi Adroth

I just want to tell you about a book I bought recently:

"Vietnam Studies: Mounted Combat in Vietnam" by General Donn A. Starry. Department of Army was also printed somewhere so this seemed to be a book published by the US military.

In summary, author wants to dispel myth that tropical terrain is not suitable for armour ops.

Of course, studies were done of different parts of the country where terrain might prove difficult.

Mainly, units got to know their AOs and knew where to go and where not to go.

Rainy season was described as no obstacle. Paddy fields were tricky but still manageable.

He described the ARVN as being quite innovative and enthusiastic user of armour.

They book also described several tactics developed for jungle fighting including special methods of crossing rivers and defensive postures like the "herringbone" etc.

Author also wants to highlight the fact that armour ops was considered to be highly successful and very important in jungle COIN ops, again contrary to popular beliefs.

Of course there were some heavy casualties when VC successfully ambushed columns with heavy AT forepower. But the successes were quite spectacular with results like several injured vs 200 VC killed etc.

Most of the actions described involved M113 ACAV and M41 Light tanks.

Later chapters will also describe Aussie Centurions.

A separate book by Aussies "Combat Battalion" if i'm not wrong, described an action where the Centurion was used to support infantry on an assault against VC bunkers. M113 were withdrawn as its armour couldn't stand up to the RPGs.
 

lobbie111

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hey I heard and I do mean heard (i.e. I have no evidence to support this claim) that, the Americans used to strap chainsaws to the sides of M113's in an effort to prevent anyone sticking bombs on the side of them or to clear out the side of the road to allow visibility to prevent anyone sticking bombs on their vehicles. Is this true or documented anywhere?
 

eckherl

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hey I heard and I do mean heard (i.e. I have no evidence to support this claim) that, the Americans used to strap chainsaws to the sides of M113's in an effort to prevent anyone sticking bombs on the side of them or to clear out the side of the road to allow visibility to prevent anyone sticking bombs on their vehicles. Is this true or documented anywhere?
That is not true :eek:nfloorl:
 

lobbie111

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yeah I thought it was funny too but it would be effective in clearing the scrub just off the road but well yeah.....
 
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