Sudan Air Force

ROCK45

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I'm was looking for a list of current Mig-29 users and came across this article attached below. Does Sudan still operate these Mig-29 SE Fulcrums and or any others? Thanks in advance for any help.

MiG under fire for arming Sudan
Thursday 22 July 2004.

By Lyuba Pronina

MOSCOW, July 22, 2004 (Moscow Times) — Amnesty International on Wednesday blasted Russia for shipping warplanes to Sudan at a time when Khartoum is under fire for providing military support to an Arab militia accused of an ethnic cleansing campaign that has left 30,000 people dead and 1 million homeless.

In a rare news conference Wednesday, the Sudanese ambassador to Moscow said his country was "very satisfied" with Russia for filling a 12-jet order five months ahead of schedule.

The ambassador, Chol Deng Alak, dismissed concerns the new MiGs would be used to attack indigenous black tribes, saying they were bought to prevent Sudan from being "an easy target" for other nations.

"We are very satisfied with the delivery. We need these jets to safeguard our economic interests," Alak said.

But Amnesty International researchers say they had received testimonies from civilians in Sudan who claimed to have been bombed by Russian-made MiGs and Ukrainian Antonov general-use transport craft operated by the Sudanese air force.

"Just as the UN Security Council starts discussing a resolution against Sudan, Russia sends its MiGs," Amnesty researcher Benedicte Goderiaux said by telephone from London.

"This makes Russia indirectly responsible," she said, adding that Amnesty and other human rights groups are working with a number of UN member countries to get an all-out arms embargo introduced against Khartoum.

Khartoum is coming under increasing pressure from the international community for its failure to stop racial attacks by the janjaweed, a well-armed Arab militia operating out of the western region of Darfur.

The United States has accused Khartoum of backing janjaweed fighters in a campaign of ethnic cleansing marked by burning and looting villages, murder and rape. The United Nations has called the conflict the worst humanitarian crisis in the world at the moment.

Although the timing for MiG, which agreed to arm Sudan with warplanes back in 2001, is clearly unfortunate, it is unlikely that the fighters will be used in the conflict, said Ruslan Pukhov, chief editor of Moscow Defense Brief, a military magazine. "The militia is using small arms and light weapons. They can be using Antonov transports to drop bombs, but using MiGs would be ineffective," he said.

Pukhov said Sudan needs the jets to counter neighboring Egypt, which has more than 100 U.S.-made F-16s.

For its part, MiG said the deal with Sudan should pave the way for future orders and help open the way for deals with other states in Africa, where the company has not played a major role.

Sudan is the 29th country to own and operate MiG-29s, and although the jet has been in service for more than 20 years, MiG general director Valery Toryanin said demand is rising in Southeast Asia, Africa and Latin America.

The contract with Sudan is the first major one to be completed by MiG since Toryanin took over the company late last year at a time when its future was in doubt. "Timely and quality delivery of the contract allows us to look forward to a follow-up," he said.

MiG hurried to deliver the 12 jets — 10 MiG-29SE fighters and two MiG-29UB combat trainers — so that the Sudanese air force could show them off during the upcoming celebrations to mark the 50th anniversary of the republic’s armed forces, he said.

Toryanin said in all this year, MiG would clear 36 jets from its assembly and repair facilities and deliver them to foreign clients. Twenty of the 36 are new, the rest are being upgraded or repaired, he said.

"We are confident of large orders," he said, adding that MiG expects to sell about 200 jets and increase its order books to $2 billion in the "near future."

"We have had delays on some contracts but we are speeding ahead with our facilities working in two to three shifts," he said.

Toryanin admitted that MiG is in talks with Algeria, but refused to comment on reports that Algiers is ready to buy 50 fighters.

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http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?page=imprimable&id_article=4110
 

Feanor

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It seems that they're still operated. i got to meet Brian Steidle, author of the Devil Came on Horseback, who came to our college to speak and he seemed to be of the opinion that they still fly. He mentioned that attacks are carried out primarily by the janjaweed, which don't employ direct government support.

Separate attacks are carried out by government forces (not as many as by the janjaweed) and they usually use heavy mortars, Hind attack heli's and even airplanes to drop ordnance.

To me the conflict seems to be a mix of a 3rd world dictatorship trying to fight a COIN war, and a local level ethnic cleansing between Arab nomads and african farmers.
 

ROCK45

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Sudan's Fulcrums

Thanks Feanor for getting back to me you seem to be a good source for information on Sudan. To be honest I still can't get a handle on who fighting who, who are the good guys, who are the bad guys, etc. I follow arms trades and was looking for Mig-29 SE users and came across Sudan as one. Been hearing a lot about the Chinese weapons there and not so much Russian lately and wasn't sure if they were sold or placed in storage? Africa seems to be a difficult place to get confirmed information. Most fighting in general is senseless but Africa seems to have a lot of it. Equipment wise the Mig-29 is a good point defense fighter basically designed to fight fighters or protect bases etc, not for ground attack. If they are used that way I think Su-25s would have made a better choice.
 

IrishHitman

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Great, MiGs in Sudan.

Honestly, could Russia be more retarded..
Business is business, but when there's genocide and peacekeepers involved, one has to have more tact than that. Can we get more up to date info on the later deals supposedly meant to happen?

I doubt that the EUFOR Chad/CAR mission have capabilities to deal with them as well... Maybe a few AA handhelds or mobile SAMs from the French..
 

Feanor

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My info on Sudan in part comes from the global cultures class I took which focused in depth on Sudan. The scope of the class was fairly limited but it did encourage me to do additional reading for it.

EDIT: If you're interested in the conflict I recommend you read "The Devil Came on Horseback". It has a lot of info and photos in it. The book is somewhat biased in favor the SPLA and tries hard to promote the idea of genocide. But if you toss aside the conclusions and go for the facts I found it very useful.
 

ROCK45

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Russia says fighter pilot shot down in Sudan was an ex-military officer

Russia says fighter pilot shot down in Sudan was an ex-military officer
Friday 30 May 2008.

By Wasil Ali

May 29, 2008 (WASHINGTON) — The Russian government confirmed that one of its citizens was killed during clashes that erupted near the Sudanese capital earlier this month.

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Sudanese MIG-29 during a military parade in Khartoum December 31 2007 (Sudaninside.com)

Russia’s news agency (Interfax) quoted an unidentified official as saying that a retired military pilot died in combat “when his MiG-29F fighter jet was shot down by rebels”.

The Russian official said that the pilot, whose name was not released, was a trainer pilot who signed a contract to work in Sudan.

However it the official did not provide details on why the trainer pilot boarded the MIG-29 during the heavy fighting that broke out in Omdurman, across the river Nile from Khartoum.

The Darfur Justice and Equality Movement (JEM) fighters mounted an assault on the Sudanese capital on May 10th that took the government and international community by surprise. However the Sudanese government managed to repulse the attack and accused Chad of backing JEM in its attempt.

Yesterday the independent Russian radio station Ekho Moskvy quoted a man by the name of Vladimir as saying that a colleague of his in Sudan told him that “a flight instructor flying a MIG-29 was shot down from a large-caliber machine-gun during this fighting [Darfur rebel attack]”.

The report by the Russian radio comes almost two weeks after Sudanese authorities closed down the Arabic language Alwan newspaper for publishing news on a Russian fighter jet and its Russian pilot, who went missing after the attack by JEM.

“The rumor about the missing MIG-29 belonging to the armed forces during the incidents in Omdurman got no confirmation or denial from the government or JEM even though everybody is looking at the sky and inquiring about the fate of the fighter jet and the Russian pilot” was the text published in the newspaper that triggered the crackdown by Sudanese security.

The pro-government Sudanese Media Center (SMC) website has said that Salah Gosh, the head of Sudan’s National Security and Intelligence Service issued a decree suspending the publication of the newspaper and ordered a freeze on its properties and assets while filing a police complaint against its editor in Chief Hussein Khogali.

SMC said that the decree was issued because Alwan “disclosed sensitive military information harmful to the country’s security and its accomplishments”.

The Ekho Moskvy radio also quoted Vladimir as saying that the flight instructor managed to eject after his plane was shot by JEM rebels “but the parachute failed to open and the pilot died”.

Vladimir did not provide the pilot’s name but said that “he was from the Ryazan higher military academy”.

The Russian defense ministry spokesman told Interfax that the pilot “was not in active service” during his time in Sudan.

"There are no fighter jet pilots in the Russian air group in Sudan" he said.

A prominent political analyst speaking to Sudan Tribune on condition of anonymity because he feared government reprisal said that many of the Sudanese pilots are from Darfur and as such “the government looked at them with suspicion”.

“During the height of war in Darfur many of these Darfuri pilots refused to take part in the aerial bombardment and some ended up in jail. It meant that they had to train new pilots which takes a long time” he said.

The 2005 report of the International Commission of Inquiry on Darfur created by the UN Security Council stated that Khartoum prosecuted “a number of air force pilots who had refused to participate in bombing areas in Darfur”.

The online World Tribune website quoted an unidentified Russian source in Moscow as saying that “there were significant problems in the effectiveness of Sudanese MIG pilots. With the new planes came Russian training and advisers, who also served as pilots”.

(ST)
Copyright © 2003-2008 SudanTribune - All rights reserved.

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Skywatcher

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Well, a merc pilot would have to first gain experience flying planes for someone else.

Large caliber machine guns... not everyday that a fourth generation fighter gets shotdown by one of those.
 

ROCK45

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Large caliber machine guns

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not everyday that a fourth generation fighter gets shotdown by one of those
I agree but possible it may also have been a combination of small arms, large caliber machine guns and hand held SAMs. I question why only one aircraft being used, shouldn't there been more then one Russian "training" pilot there? I wonder if maintenance issues play a factor in why one aircraft was used? The article did mentions Sudan pilots refusing to fly could that be possible? From the web site I attached in the military section on the left hand side I see other countries are getting involved military wise.

http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?mot98
From the above link I see Pakistan, Turkey, Belarus, and India all offering training and I assume arms in some forms. I didn't see China's name on that first page which surprised me. Sorry for the basic question but is there any arms trade ban in place right now? Can the above countries sell arms openly to Sudan?
 

Feanor

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Strictly speaking there isn't iirc. There is a weapon ban on deployment in Darfur. There is also a threat of sanctions (though they seem to be more economic). However technically they can still buy weapons.
 
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