Stealth nazi WW II

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Nazi Stealth Jet Could Have Won War for Hitler - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News - FOXNews.com

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Model that does not go into production (1945), partly built of wood, glue and carbon and metal, to be less effective radar detectable at the time, 2 machine guns and 2 bombs 1000lb.El grandfather B2.
 
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nevidimka

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I've seen the remnants of the plane b4 but is this real? They really built it and made it to fly? and that to test it with the radar of that time? How did they fly it reliably? AFAIK, the 1st jet engines of that time were problematic. Did they recreate the engines too? and that fly it few feet from the sea?

How did they manage to control it without FBW?
 
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Falstaff

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nevidimka said:
I've seen the remnants of the plane b4 but is this real? They really built it and made it to fly? and that to test it with the radar of that time? How did they fly it reliably? AFAIK, the 1st jet engines of that time were problematic. Did they recreate the engines too? and that fly it few feet from the sea?

How did they manage to control it without FBW?
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Watching the national Geographic documentary "HItler's Stealth Fighter", which triggered all the recent news coverage, will answer some of your questions. It is easily available via BitTorrent or Rapidshare. It has some factual glitches but is very entertaining. And there is lots of other stuff about the Ho 229 to be found on the internet.
So, yes, a prototype flew and flew well several times. It crashed during a test flight due to engine failure, killing the pilot. The second prototype wasn't finished when it fell into the hands of the allies.
No, they didn't recreate it at all. They just built a wooden 1:1 mock up with some parts painted with a special, radar reflecting paint to simulate metal parts such as the engines and fuel tanks. They then mounted it on a pole and did some rcs measurements.
And no, I don't think it was built with stealth in mind. Certainly German engineers thought about and developed solutions in order to avoid radar detection of e.g. submarine sails and fighters. This is well known. The flying wing shape of the Ho 229 and its predecessors was chosen due to aerodynamic reasons however, and the rcs reduction compared to contemporary fighters was "only" about 20%, according to the documentary.
 
StingrayOZ

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Still I think concept/aerodynamically this is an extremely advanced aircraft for its time.

While most likely not deliberately designed to avoid radar, visibly it is stealthy.

No tail, again very forward thinking design, less drag, less radar/visible signature. Not to mention some decent sized jet engines. Compare this to its contempories and it looks positively futuristic.

I see this as more of a fighter/bomber than a fighter. Its not designed for dog fighting, it designed for long flights with big wings.

If that had mass produced it I think the next stage would have been to modify it to reduce its RSC further. A few modifications would have greatly improved its stealthyness. Sweep back its wings, tunnel its jet intake, RAM coatings (the germans had this) on leading edges atleast, modify the canopy.

It makes me wonder what would happen if the germans had developed this before the war and then mass produced advanced and effective designs. Scarey.
 
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nevidimka

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Even though the plane used the same jet engines as the Me 262? it would have clearly been more superior and faster due to the lighter weight by using wood and less drag form its flying wing design.

If a battle really did took place with the plane brought into service, it would have really resembled an alien vs human air battle, judging from the cg created.

Clearly a game changer. It would have had free reign in the skies. And the Germans thought about this in the 40's!.
 
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