Somehow take technologies from the YF-23 and X-32b?

[Swaroop]

hehe, this may sound a bit naughty excuse me!!!

known that the YF-23 was pushed off the table FOR the F-22, .. ..how about other countries like India and China , somehow coax the Makers of YF-23 to give 'info' . . .or even. . .ask them to 'make prototypes' for them lol!

and same with the X-32

 

[Aussie Digger]

Unfortunately the technology behind both designs would still be classified. The manufactures would not be allowed to "release" the technology...

 

[highsea]

Not to mention it was taxpayer dollars that funded the programs to start with. Sorry Swaroop, you will have to get by with the LCA...

 

[Pathfinder-X]

Guys I believe he is talking about stealing the technology then applying it to the programs in India.

The answer to his question would be no, these secrets are by no means easy to obtain. You might have couple of CIA counterintelligence agents on your butt before you can come close to the the information.

Another factor is that even IF you manage to get your hands on those technology you need to have certain infrastructure to implement that technology. An example of this would be the Su-27SK production line in China. Eventhough China has what it needs to produce the Su-27, but the finished jet is still inferior to Russian ones.

 

[umair]

Uh Path, counterespionage is the FBI's turf I believe, btw interesting avatar.

 

[baadal]

hehe, this may sound a bit naughty excuse me!!!

known that the YF-23 was pushed off the table FOR the F-22, .. ..how about other countries like India and China , somehow coax the Makers of YF-23 to give 'info' . . .or even. . .ask them to 'make prototypes' for them lol!

and same with the X-32

IIRC, the classified information reg SR-71 (and hence YF-23) was destroyed to prevent other countries (including the 'friendly' ones) stealing the tech. I am not sure if it was the entire blue prints or some critical technology related stuff.

 

[highsea]

Typically only the tooling gets cut up. Some of the manufacturing drawings and plannings may share that fate, but the designs and technology is always retained for follow-on projects, at least on the YF-23. The SR-71 drawings may have been destroyed by now, but not the YF-23 stuff. NG is working on a YF-23 derivative for the Interim Bomber, and they have pulled at least one airframe back in house.

 

[Swaroop]

Guys I believe he is talking about stealing the technology then applying it to the programs in India.

The answer to his question would be no, these secrets are by no means easy to obtain. You might have couple of CIA counterintelligence agents on your butt before you can come close to the the information.

yeah ! I am speaking about technical espionage lol

yes, though the CIA may be a huge obstacle, u have had instances when . . .ok for example, when India detonated the nukes in May 11 1998, it was made sure that no CIA satellites would be able to know about the tests before they were conducted. . . so, we planned a Trishul experimental SAM launch on teh eastern shore, so that all US satellites would point their cameras towards that side, . . in the mean time we would conduct the nuke tests

 

[Swaroop]

for now, I WILL stay with the LCA . . ..but for the upcoming MCA, I thought some espionage to get some stealth techno would be helpful

Its not unhealty either,
for example USA spyed on the MiG-25 and used info to make the F-18

Saab may have spyed on Mirage/Dassault

and, so , nothing wrong in atleast trying to get some YF-23 technology into the upcoming MCA and Russian ( which is most probably going to be Indo-Russian) PAK-FA

 

[highsea]

...for example USA spyed on the MiG-25 and used info to make the F-18 ...

I'm curious why you say this. Besides the fact the the AC have absolutely nothing in common, the US knew virtually nothing about the MiG-25 until late 1976 when Belenko defected to Japan.

The F-18 was a spin-off of the Lightweight Fighter program, which began in 1972. In 1975, General Dynamics won the competition with the YF-16. Northrup's entry, the YF-17, went on to become the F-18.

The first MiG-25 was designed in 1961, and the interceptor variant entered service in 1972, the same year that the LWF program began. So how did Northrup use MiG-25 technology in developing the YF-17? And why would they even be interested in such old tech on a new AC?

The MiG-25 was developed as a reconnaissance and interceptor platform to counter to the B-58 Hustler and XB-70 Valkyrie in the late 50's-early 60's. The F-18 was developed as a replacement for the A-4 and F-4, 15 years later. A light fighter and an interceptor are completely different applications.

The only influence the MiG-25 had was to spur the US into developing more advanced AC. The US was in fear of being outpaced in fighter design, so a new generation of fighters was developed to ensure continued US air superiority. But to say that info or tech from the MiG-25 was used in the F-18 makes no sense. The F-18 was way too advanced for that to be true.