Singapore to procure SYDER SR air defence system

[SGMilitary]

Greetings Gentlemen,

It was reported in Defense News that Singapore is in the final stage to procure the mobile SYDER SR air defence system from Israel. The system has the capability to fire PYTHON 5 & DERBY BVR missiles. If this grapevine is true, that means BAE proposed VL MICA and Kongsberg SLAMRAAM fails to fufill Singapore requirements. Just how capable is the SPYDER system compared to their European counterparts?
There has been speculation that Singapore is procuring the ASTER 30 SAMPT, Crotale 3 and STARSTREAK.Any links to support these?Please advised.Cheers!

 

[whodunit]

Why do you insist on posting old news stories? Seems like you are recycling old news to keep a discusssion on Singapore.

 

[LazerLordz]

To be fair, there wasn't much discussion generated on this issue.

SGMilitary > No we're not getting any streaking stars. The Crotale's "purchase" was talked about a few years back, and there's not much of an hint of actual existence. As for the Aster 30, while it is compatible with our FFGs, it's still vaporware as far as the RSN is concerned at the moment.

 

[Distiller]

SPYDER.

Depending if it is Spyder SR or MR.
SR is quite similar to MICA VL, derived from an a/a missile.
Spyder MR is much more powerful, has a booster that lets it compete with Crotale III and the Russian systems (even though they use a completely different approach).
Crotale is somewhat faster than MR, but has less range than MR.
Difference of course is still, that Crotale is mounted on a (mobile) single vehicle, whereas Spyder is a (moveable) distributed system.

Now that Crotale has a new radar, sensors and C2 will be more or less the same.

 

[Red]

The RFI to replace the Rapiers has already been released as mentioned by RSAF`s chief in a Janes interview.

The Spyder is a contender to replace the Rapiers together with the Slraams and MICA-VL according to the Defensenews report. They are short range systems although the Spyder SR`s range reaches 15km; almost double the range of the old Rapiers MK2. SMTP Aster 30s, like the US Patriots, are mid range land systems together with Singapore`s current I-hawks which will be replaced soon as well.

They are only so many land shorad systems on the market. And given Israel`s ties to Singapore, the Spyder is a definite shoo-in offer by Israel. Though it remains to be seen if we will actually buy it.

According to the report, an annoucement of a new shorad buy by Singapore is imminent.

Next to be replaced are the RBS-70s vshorads and I-hawks mid-range systems in stages. The time-frame for the deployment for all the new systems is 8-10 years meaning that the purchases will be made much earlier for testing and integration into Singapore`s integrated and layered air defence structure.

Singapore Mindef`s did not even announce the purchase of the Aster 15s. MBDA simply says an undisclosed Asian customer bought them; quite possibly upon Singapore`s urgings. Let alone Aster 30s for the frigates. Needless to say, Mindef does not want to talk much about it for now.

The recent live Aster missile firing test in Toulon, France was showcased. But that is probably because they cannot hide the test; given the fact that it was conducted on foriegn soil! Otherwise, it may well have been hidden away from everyone like many other things here...until they decide to show them off :cry2

There was also another report on the supposed imminent Spyder purchase in an Israeli paper;

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/DocView.asp?did=1000314562&fid=1725

Singapore`s media and Mindef are tight lipped as usual when it comes to these things. So, no news from them thus far.

 

[kato]

Next to be replaced are the RBS-70s vshorads and I-hawks mid-range systems in stages.

With what would the RBS70 be replaced? There isn't really any newer (MANPAD) stuff out.

 

[Red]

Spyder MR is much more powerful, has a booster that lets it compete with Crotale III and the Russian systems (even though they use a completely different approach).

Are you referring to the Crotale Mk3 sir? If so, I think that is still a short range system with a 15km range. Yes. You are right. The Spyder MR comes with a small booster which results in an increase range to 35km. However, it would be unwise for a country to get the same missile system for two different purposes with regards to land-air defence.

IMHO, Singapore would most likely go for Aster 30 SAMP/T system given that the Formidable frigates carry them. Secondly, the latter system offers a cheap and useful upgrade to deal with rogue ballistic missiles which is something we want as well.

 

[Red]

With what would the RBS70 be replaced? There isn't really any newer (MANPAD) stuff out.

I dont know. New Bolide missiles? The latest edition of the star-streak perhaps? No news unfortunately.

 

[LazerLordz]

Are you referring to the Crotale Mk3 sir? If so, I think that is still a short range system with a 15km range. Yes. You are right. The Spyder MR comes with a small booster which results in an increase range to 35km. However, it would be unwise for a country to get the same missile system for two different purposes with regards to land-air defence.

IMHO, Singapore would most likely go for Aster 30 SAMP/T system given that the Formidable frigates carry them. Secondly, the latter system offers a cheap and useful upgrade to deal with rogue ballistic missiles which is something we want as well.

MBDA's Project Raven notes called for a mix of Aster 30s and 15s for the RSN.

 

[weasel1962]

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