Saudi's show interest to purchase al-khalid and Al-Saad

[GoldenEagle]

Saudi team tests AK and Al-Saad for endurance and test firing. The first round was a complete success for AK and Al-Saad.Second round is scheduled in SA sometime next year.



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[The Watcher]

SA spends billions of dollars on buying defense equipment-if pakistan can share the profit it would be good for pakistan and for its people.

Here is a related story:

ISLAMABAD: Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz showed keen interest in indigenously produced weapons at a defence exhibition at Jinnah Convention Centre here on Sunday.

About one dozen organisations set up their stalls at the exhibition organised by the Defence Export Promotion Organisation. The Crown Prince was received by President General Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali.

Prominent among the organisations that displayed their equipment at the exhibition included Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) Wah, Institute of Industrial Control System, Al-Technique Corporation, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Kamra, Aero Weapons Complex (AWC), Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT), Karachi Shipyard, etc.

The crown prince witnessed a demonstration of Pakistan’s main battle tank al-Khalid and armoured personnel carriers Talha and Saad. The demonstration showed manoeuvrability of the two vehicles and how they could negotiate sharp turns and aim and choose targets while moving.

Prince Abdullah was later presented drummers’ salute and souvenirs. While visiting different stalls, Prince Abdullah asked various questions about equipment put on display. The POF Wah had put on display its range of infantry weapons, small arms and artillery ammunition.

The PAC had put on display avionics system in collaboration with foreign manufacturers. Its Super Mashak aircraft is exported to a number of countries. The Integrated Defence System showed its products including unmanned aerial weapons, anti-armour bombs, cluster bombs, starfish naval ground mine system and military batteries.

The Institute of Industrial Control Systems displayed an anti-tank missile, Baktar Shikan, surface-to-air guided missiles Anza and its training simulators. They also put on display the remote control mine exploders and laser range finders.

Al-Technique Corporation of Pakistan showed its range of modern optics, laser designators, laser threat sensors, altimeters, night vision devices and integrated fire control systems. The Karachi Shipyard put on display models of midget submarines, Agosta 90-B, missile and patrol boats.

The MVRDE showed a variety of bridges, while Sigma Motors showed a range of land rover vehicles used in different roles. The Samad Rubber Industry had on display rubber boats.

I think, they will go for the purchase once they see how good Al-khalid is and is well suited for the desert terrain.

 

[Oqaab]

Saudi Arabia's name added in the list of those countries who are interested in Al-Khalid.

These countries are interested in Al-Khalids

Saudi Arabia
Turkey
Iran
Bangladesh
Myanmar

 

[The Watcher]

Sooon honey will start flowing. Where is pakistan going to get all those engines for Al khalid tank? :eek

 

[ullu]

Sooon honey will start flowing. Where is pakistan going to get all those engines for Al khalid tank? :eek

:idea2 Ukrain.

 

[Oqaab]

Sooon honey will start flowing. Where is pakistan going to get all those engines for Al khalid tank? :eek

Pakistan may get the technology of TD-6 engines from Ukraine this year or next year and will start production in 2004. Inshallah.

 

[seth]

yo peoples how much does/would a Al Khalid battle tank cost in pakistani rupees/ or U.S. dollars? :?: :!:

 

[Roger Smith]

yo peoples how much does/would a Al Khalid battle tank cost in pakistani rupees/ or U.S. dollars? :?: :!:

The cost on R&D for Al-Khalid MBT was $20 million, the engines are imported from Ukraine at $500,000 a unit, therefore I assume the SP (selling price) by HIT should be approx. $1.5 to $1.9 million a unit. :idea2

 

[gf0012-aust]

$500,000 a unit

That's a ridiculous price for a 1500hp engine. Are you sure??

 

[seth]

yo so roger smith for one AL Khalid in U.S. dollars is $1.5 to $1.9 million a unit? And how much would this tank cost in pakistani rupees ? And does anyone know how long it takes to build a Al Khalid? Also how much damage can it with stand like it's armor ? :?: :?: :!:

 

[Roger Smith]

$500,000 a unit

That's a ridiculous price for a 1500hp engine. Are you sure??

Ukraine to provide another 315 engines for Al-Khalid Tanks, the contract estmates from 125 - 150 million US dollars.


http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/mbt/mbt...To_Provide_Another_315_Engines_For_Tanks.html

 

[gf0012-aust]

That is a ridiculous price, I can source those engines from the Ukraine or Russia at a significantly better price than that.

Unbelievable. I should be talking to the Pak Army.

 

[Roger Smith]

That is a ridiculous price, I can source those engines from the Ukraine or Russia at a significantly better price than that.

Unbelievable. I should be talking to the Pak Army.

I agree with you, the engine should not cost more than $200,000 a unit from the Soviet Block, but then again in military dealings there is huge kick-backs/commissions to the generals who want to remain in power forever. :smokingc:

 

[gf0012-aust]

That is a ridiculous price, I can source those engines from the Ukraine or Russia at a significantly better price than that.

Unbelievable. I should be talking to the Pak Army.

I agree with you, the engine should not cost more than $200,000 a unit from the Soviet Block, but then again in military dealings there is huge kick-backs/commissions to the generals who want to remain in power forever. :smokingc:

That is still a lousy price. Does anyone know the contract details?

As it stands, I certainly can source those engines at a far better price than what appears to have been quoted.

Geez, I thought the US and Australia paid some daft prices.

 

[Roger Smith]

yo peoples how much does/would a Al Khalid battle tank cost in pakistani rupees/ or U.S. dollars? :?: :!:

The cost on R&D for Al-Khalid MBT was $20 million, the engines are imported from Ukraine at $500,000 a unit, therefore I assume the SP (selling price) by HIT should be approx. $1.5 to $1.9 million a unit. :idea2

The Australian Army is buying 59 American M1A1 Abrams MBT at the cost of US$ 550 million equal to US$ 9.3 per unit. I assume Al-Khalid MBT at the range of $ 1.5 to $ 1.9 million a unit is reasonable.

 

[tatra]

$500,000 a unit

That's a ridiculous price for a 1500hp engine. Are you sure??

Ukraine to provide another 315 engines for Al-Khalid Tanks, the contract estmates from 125 - 150 million US dollars.


http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/mbt/mbt...To_Provide_Another_315_Engines_For_Tanks.html

Is the amount in this contract just for the engines, or does is also include other things e.g. servicing, repair, training of personnel, development etc. Unless you know this, you can't really say with any certainty that the engines cost $500k per unit. At best, it would be an upper bound.

 

[Roger Smith]

$500,000 a unit

That's a ridiculous price for a 1500hp engine. Are you sure??

Ukraine to provide another 315 engines for Al-Khalid Tanks, the contract estmates from 125 - 150 million US dollars.


http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/mbt/mbt...To_Provide_Another_315_Engines_For_Tanks.html

Is the amount in this contract just for the engines, or does is also include other things e.g. servicing, repair, training of personnel, development etc. Unless you know this, you can't really say with any certainty that the engines cost $500k per unit. At best, it would be an upper bound.

I feel the amount $500k is for engine only as part of the MBT and chassis of Al-Khalid is made by HIT, therefore HIT (Heavy Industries Taxila) is responsible for servicing and repair to their clients.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Is the amount in this contract just for the engines, or does is also include other things e.g. servicing, repair, training of personnel, development etc. Unless you know this, you can't really say with any certainty that the engines cost $500k per unit. At best, it would be an upper bound.

Hence why I'd like to know if there is contract separation so I can see the break up of prices.

Roger, you can't do a direct price comparison on the Aust M1 prices as they are different capabilities and our prices are also affected by all the support vehicles, spares, training, maint contracts etc... Technologically there is a vast difference between components and systems integration between the two platforms

 

[Roger Smith]

Roger, you can't do a direct price comparison on the Aust M1 prices as they are different capabilities and our prices are also affected by all the support vehicles, spares, training, maint contracts etc... Technologically there is a vast difference between components and systems integration between the two platforms

GF0012, you are right and I agree with you..............mate! :cheers

 

[Libyan]

Oh the eternal optimism of the Pakistanis over their al khalid tank, Yes Saudi Arabia sent a delagation to view the Pak Al Khalid, this was in huge part because of the Funding the Saudis provided, Saudi arabia basicaly wanted to see where their money went, Saudi Arabia should have no plans of addopting a 4th tank into its arsenal keep in mind

Saudi defense planning revolving around 3 brigades/regiments each one equipped with simmilar albiet different equipment, one is all french amx-30/amx-10 which fires 105mm low power nato and 20mmx119 the second is american with m60/m113 and fires 105mm nato full power (same round heat) and 12.7mm and 20mm x 119 and then lastly the m1/m2 105mm (nato full) and 25mm bushmaster cannon. so if you were the saudis why would you suddenly complicate things by addopting a completely alien tank and a completely unfamilliar and inferior ammunition and logistics. you cannot compare 125mm old soviet to even 105mm nato and the 12.7mm dhskm/type 67/83 guns of the saad arent compatible with the 12.7mm nato heavy

Also IRAN has no interest whatso ever in addopting the al khalied, the al khalied is roughly comparable to the t-72 iran builds and improves upon domesticly! its like saying India is Interested in Chinese f-7 fighters, while India builds Mig-21's