Russia, India to sign next-generation fighter deal in early 2009

yasin_khan

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NEW DELHI, December 5 - Russia and India are due to sign a contract at the beginning of 2009 to jointly develop and produce a fifth-generation jet fighter, the head of the United Aircraft Corporation said on Friday.
"We are planning to conclude the contract at the beginning of next year," Alexei Fedorov said.
The Russian-Indian advanced multirole fighter is being developed by Sukhoi, which is part of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), along with India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), under a preliminary intergovernmental agreement signed in October 2007.
Russia and India will simultaneously develop two versions of the combat aircraft - a two-seat version to meet the requirements of India's air superiority policy, and a single-seat version for the Russian Air Force.
Russia's Sukhoi aircraft maker earlier said it had started to construct a prototype of the fifth-generation fighter, which will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets.
The Russian version will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft-manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.
Flight tests of the fighter are due to begin as early as 2009, and the aircraft may go into production by 2015, Sukhoi said.
Russia's military cooperation with India goes back nearly half a century, and the Asian country accounts for about 40% of Russian arms exports.



http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081205/118702548.html
 

yasin_khan

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I think it will be latest Sukhoi's Su-30 version.India is also helped in LCA and MCA programs by Russia.
 

Feanor

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No it will not be an Su-30 version. It will be a completely new fighter, from the PAK-FA program, with the first prototype flight scheduled for next year.
 

macman

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There's been plenty written about the PAK-FA program, & the spinoff FGFA program for the Indian side.

Basically the Indian side wants a twin-seat configuration, use some weapons of Indian origin, & will be equipped with a multi-national avionics complex sourced from India, Israel, Russia and France...

This is the performance requirements for the Indian FGFA side:

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 2+ at altitude (2450+ km/h, 1,500+ mph)
* g-limits: 9 to 10 g)
* Cruise speed: 1,300 km/h (807.8 mph)
* Ferry range: 4,000 to 5,500 km (2,485 to 3,418 mi)
* Service ceiling 20,000 m (65,617 ft)
* Rate of climb: 350 m/s (68,898 ft/min)
* Wing loading: 470 kg/m² (96.3 lb/ft²)
* Thrust/weight: 0.84 (dry thrust)
* Minimum thrust/weight:
o With afterburner: 1.19
* Runway length requirement: 350 m (1,148 ft)
* Endurance: 3.3 hrs (198 mins)

Armament
* Guns: 2× 30 mm internal cannon
* Hardpoints: 8 total, 4 on each side of the aircraft.
It will ofcourse be stealthy, have the ability to supercruise, & have an AESA radar.
 

yasin_khan

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There's been plenty written about the PAK-FA program, & the spinoff FGFA program for the Indian side.

Basically the Indian side wants a twin-seat configuration, use some weapons of Indian origin, & will be equipped with a multi-national avionics complex sourced from India, Israel, Russia and France...

This is the performance requirements for the Indian FGFA side:



It will ofcourse be stealthy, have the ability to supercruise, & have an AESA radar.
Can you provide any link?
 

ReAl PrOeLiTeZ

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There's been plenty written about the PAK-FA program, & the spinoff FGFA program for the Indian side.

Basically the Indian side wants a twin-seat configuration, use some weapons of Indian origin, & will be equipped with a multi-national avionics complex sourced from India, Israel, Russia and France...

This is the performance requirements for the Indian FGFA side:



It will ofcourse be stealthy, have the ability to supercruise, & have an AESA radar.
how can it be stealthy if you have hardpoints on the exterior, having hardpoints compromises your stealth. and those specifications that you given are to detailed, the aircraft hasnt taken flight yet. and having specs on wingloading, climb rate, service ceiling seems a bit absurd
 

old faithful

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how can it be stealthy if you have hardpoints on the exterior, having hardpoints compromises your stealth. and those specifications that you given are to detailed, the aircraft hasnt taken flight yet. and having specs on wingloading, climb rate, service ceiling seems a bit absurd
external stores can be more stealthy, see Storm shadow and taurus...now if external fuel tanks can be shaped in such a way, then their radar cross section, will be smaller. AAM are not huge radar reflectors either.
 

Feanor

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I doubt it will have external hard points. At least I would seriously doubt it.
 

funtz

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I doubt it will have external hard points. At least I would seriously doubt it.
They better be capable of having external points, all the tech and money that will go into these planes is bound to make them expensive (not USA expensive but Russia/india expensive) and small in numbers, flying in super stealth mode will not always be required, some missions might just need them to carry a lot of bombs.
 

macman

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F-22 & F-35 both have external hard points.
For stealthy designs you just don't use them whem you want to keep as low a radar profile as possible.
However, for extra fuel to get to destination, & additional payload when necessary - internal bays are quite limited in payload capacity so far for fighter sized craft...

RE: specifications - these are the design parameters of what it supposed to be.
The PAK-FA program has been around for some time, & is supposed to already have done much of the major design work, so imagine the specifications are quite probable to what what the final design will be...
 

Viktor

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There are many articles floating around about PAK-FA ... here is one from witch you can figure it out how long internal weapon bay it will have .. (althrow it does not say how many of it)





Russia & CIS Observer / Archive / №3 (22) August 2008 / DEFENSE / New Approach for Russian Missiles /

Alexey Komarov

The long-awaited Kh-38ME missile with modular design is designed as a successor to the Kh-25 type of Russia’s tactical air-to-surface weapons
Russia's Tactical Missiles Corporation (TMC) has begun marketing a number of new and upgraded air-to-ground guided weapons, while other new-generation systems — including air-to-air missiles — await clearance to be revealed publically.
During last year's Moscow MAKS air show, Tactical Missiles Corporation presented full-scale mockups of several new developments, although the initial details of these designs were revealed only late this June. According to company officials, the lengthy and highly bureaucratic procedure in clearing weapons for export marketing took longer than expected, preventing their full-scale presentation at the 2008 Farnborough Airshow.
Among the most long-awaited products of Tactical Missiles Corporation is the Kh-38ME, a modular guided weapon designed to succeed the Kh-25 (AS-10 Karen/AS-12 Kegler) tactical air-to-surface weapon. Kh-25 variants were produced in substantial numbers for the Soviet Air Force, and later the Russian Air Force, and have also been widely exported.
The Kh-38M program has reportedly been in development for more than a decade, but it was badly affected by the lack of financing experienced by the Russian defense sector from the mid-1990s through the beginning of this decade.
Today, Tactical Missiles Corp. is presenting four versions of its Kh-38M, intended to destroy a wide range of armored and fortified targets with different modular types of warheads and seekers. The Kh-38ML uses a semi-active laser seeker, the Kh-38MK zeroes in on the target using GLONASS satellite navigation, the Kh-38MT has an infrared electro-optical seeker, and the Kh-38MA is fitted with an active-radar seeker. All of these variants also use inertial guidance. The E designation at the end of abbreviation, such as in the Kh-38MLE, identifies an export variant of the missile.
The Kh-38M is significantly heavier than the Kh-25 family, weighing in at up to 520 kg for launch, compared to 330-350 kg for the Kh-25. The warhead's maximum weight also has increased, up to 250 kg. This new missile is half a meter longer than its predecessor (4.2 meters, compared to 3.7 meters); its body diameter is 0.31 meters, compared to the Kh-25's 0.275-meter diameter. Fins at the mid-body and in the rear fold up for compact external carriage and allow for installation in an internal fuselage weapons bay. The Kh-38 has a published maximum launch range out to 40 km, which is almost the same as stated for the anti-radiation Kh-25MP.

In addition to its increased range, the Kh-59MK2 stand-off land-attack missile is believed to use some form of electro-optical target scene-matching during the terminal phase of flight
The list of existing guided weapons that Tactical Missiles Corporation is offering to foreign customers is further extended with the Kh-59MK2, a version of the Kh-59MK (AS-18 Kazoo) stand-off weapon; the Kh-58UShK wide-band anti-radiation missile, and the heavy laser-guided KAB-1500LG-F-E air bomb.
The Kh-59MK2 is an increased-range version of the Kh-59M (AS-18 Kazoo) autonomous stand-off land-attack weapon, which is believed to use some form of electro-optical target scene-matching for the terminal phase. The earlier land-attack Kh-59M variant required a man-in-the-loop for TV-command guidance during the terminal phase, although the Kh-59MK anti-ship variant is equipped with an active radar seeker.
The Kh-59MK2's terminal guidance appears to operate by comparing imagery in the terminal phase with pre-loaded target imagery based on a 3D map. Claimed accuracy is a 5-meter (16-ft.) circular error probability.
The new version uses the same configuration as the Kh-59MK anti-ship variant, and has practically the same maximum flight range of 285 km, which is significantly more than that for the basic Kh-59M. The Kh-59MK2 cruises to the target at an altitude of 50-300 meters, with flight speeds of 900-1,050 km/hour. The missile could be equipped with penetrating or shaped charge warheads weighing 320 and 283 kg, respectively. Launch weight of the new missile is up to 900 kg, its length is 5.7 meters, and the wingspan is 1.3 meters.

With its folding wings, the Kh-58UShK anti–radiation missile can be carried inside an aircraft’s fuselage, which is an attractive feature for Russia’s new-generation stealthy fighter, the Sukhoi T-50
Another new version of an existing product is the Kh-58UShK anti-radiation missile (an upgrade of the Kh-58, or AS-11 Kilter), which has a wide-band seeker. Its folding wings allow the weapon to be carried internally — an attractive feature for new-generation stealthy aircraft such as Sukhoi's T-50 fighter, which is still under development. It is believed the new missile's overall length was reduced to 4.19 meters, compared with the 4.8-meter length of the initial Kh-58, to make it compatible with the T-50 combat aircraft.
The new variant can be used against pre-programmed targets, as well as targets detected and designated by the carrier aircraft. It features an increased range of up to 245 km (the basic model has a 200 km. max range). Launch weight of Kh-58UShK is 650 kg, while high-explosive warhead weighs 149 kg (both parameters are equal to the basic missile version). External dimensions with folded wings are a length of 4.19 meters, a width of 0.4 meters, and a height of 0.4 meters.
The existing range of guided bombs was extended with the KAB-1500LG-F-E, which carries a passive laser homing seeker. The previous variant (the KAB-1500Kr) was equipped with TV/terrain-matching homing heads.
This year's ILA Berlin Air Show in Germany — which was held just prior to the 2008 Farnborough event — provided a good opportunity for Russia to promote new weapons for existing and future launch platforms, especially since India was included at the Berlin gathering as a "strategic partner." MiG Corp. wanted to make a good impression on India, and revealed a batch of new missiles for the weapons list of its MiG-35 4++ generation fighter — which has been promoted as a candidate for India's new MMRCA combat aircraft tender. According to MiG Corp., the MiG-35's air-to-ground weapons can include the Kh-31PD and Kh-59M2E missiles, as well as the KAB-250S-E guided bomb. The list of air-to-air weapons included two other new missiles — the short-range RVV-MD and medium-range RVV-SD. Certain details on these weapons are expected to be revealed soon.

There was an interview with Mig chief who said MIG IS WORKING on lightweight 5th generation fighter ... as it is blody long I will post only fraction of it that matters most

Anatoly Belov

Q: Could the Air Force declare a tender for the development of light and medium fighters of the fifth generation soon?

A: I assume the one heavy fighter now being developed by Sukhoi will not fulfill all the tasks now before the Air Force. A plane of a lighter class is objectively necessary, so we continue to work in that area. But that tender is only possible after 2015? Why? The process can begin sooner. It’s a decision for the Russian government, Defense Ministry and the chief commander of the Air Force.
 

rjmaz1

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I found this recent article, by the sounds of things the Russian may be catching up to the US at a rapid pace.

Russia aerospace limited magazine 1 april 2008

Russia today signed an agreement for joint development and production of the latest air dominance fighter. Members from both Sukhoi, Mikoyan-Gurevich and Yakovlev Design Bureau were present for the public announcement. What has been described as an "F-22 killer" showed a distinct change in direction from previous images floated around the web. Rumours has it that a "variable angle wing design" will allow for supercruise and super agility. Internal weapons bay points towards a stealthy and aerodynamic design.

Active plasma stealth from the 4th generation "rambolseski tranducer" will also feature in the design. This marks not only the first public release of the Russian active plasma tranducer but also the first public report of its existance. Initial reports describe the tranducer as a device that creates an ion field on the leading edge of the wing. This confirms previous rumours that Russia was developing such technology. Images of the device were on display, it was described as a device that creates a field that absorbs X-band radar frequencies. In the description it also mentioned that more developed versions could absorb physical matter.

One of the most interesting features of the model on display was what was described as a chemical oxygen iodine laser. This is similar to the latest US development for its airborne laser currently in development by Boeing. This could act as a primary weapon which could potentially reform air combat. Four of these chemical lasers were shown mounted on the wingtips of the advanced fighter design. Russia confirmed development has already begun and that flight testing is scheduled for next year with introduction into service by 2012.
CLick link for the full article with pics


Wow this is excellent news. It wont take long until this has spread over the web.
 

swerve

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how can it be stealthy if you have hardpoints on the exterior, having hardpoints compromises your stealth.
Don't confuse hardpoints with weapons pylons ("bomb racks"). The hardpoints can be as stealthy as the rest of the external surface. You only attach pylons - to which you can attach weapons - to the hardpoints when you wish to carry external stores.

See the F22 & F35 for examples.
 

Feanor

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Rjmaz I appreciate the humor, but it's essentially spam. Do you have something to contribute to the discussion, or not?
 
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