Royal Danish Navy

[John Fedup]

I would say a few faulty shells are relatively minor but 30 minutes to reboot the computer for "insignificant software errors" isn't.

From the link;

And when it comes to the feedback that it has been known for years that there were problems with the ship's computer and radar system, according to TV 2's information, it was the assessment that these were insignificant software errors that were not critical in a combat situation.

Only during and after the firefight did the Armed Forces realize that the technical challenges were greater than expected. This meant that there was a need to restart the computer in the frigate's central air defense system, which was therefore down for 30 minutes.

 

[Ananda]

NVL Proposes GMF-120 Missile Frigate For Danish Fleet Plan

German builder NVL has revealed an intriguing new compact missile frigate design, dubbed GMF-120, at the Danish DALO Industry Days.

www.navalnews.com

Xavier talk about German NVL design that they offering to Danish Navy as Iver Huitfeldt class replacement. For 120m design it is very well armrd with main armament of 12 SSM, 2 RAM CIWS and 64 Mk 41 VLS. NVL offering to build or have final assembly in Denmark.

 

[swerve]

Revealed at an event in Ballerup? Why Ballerup? It's an inland suburb or satellite town of Copenhagen, with no maritime, let alone naval, connections I know of.

I've only heard of it because I met my first serious girlfriend there, many years ago.

Small heavily armed ship suggests probably modest range & endurance. Not a problem for Denmark's home waters, e.g. the Baltic & North Sea, but might be limiting in some places. Seems rather similar in some ways to the French FDI, though with a lot more VLS.

 

[kato]

Revealed at an event in Ballerup? Why Ballerup? It's an inland suburb or satellite town of Copenhagen, with no maritime, let alone naval, connections I know of.

The "event" is the annual DALO Industry Days defense industry fair hosted by the Danish military's procurement agency (DALO). It's the largest regular defence industry exhibition in the Nordic countries.

 

[kato]

P.S. DALO itself is located in a commercial zone in Ballerup. The "Industry Days" are held about 1 km from their HQ at the nearby "Ballerup Super Arena" sports venue as well as a second sports hall and the parking lots around them. Despite the fairly adhoc setting the Industry Days are generally attended by most major European defence companies and virtually all defence industry in Denmark and Scandinavia. The only well-known non-European company that i know attended in some form was Hanwha btw.

The event is largely focused on companies trying to present their products specifically for possible procurement by the Danish Military. This goes as far as the official current procurement plan (things for which they plan to sign contracts within a year) actually being linked by DALO a bit further in on the link in the last post.

Of course companies will try to advertise prototypes and such for future procurement too, most things presented rather go in that direction. This is the case especially for Navy products due to the announced revised Navy plans, companies are hoping to actually sell things.

The current procurement plan list for the Navy (sorted by force) is of course more restrained in comparison and lists as near-future contracts:

• new SATCOM antennas, both landside and for navy ships, as well as navigation radars on ships
• fast rescue boats for the Coastal Rescue Service to replace current (Alusafe 1070) boats
• new deck cranes onboard OPVs Knud Rasmussen and Ejnar Mikkelsen.
• diving equipment (compressors of various kinds) for both the Emergency Management Service and for Special Forces
• Maintenance of Home Guard vessels, new sails for HDMY Dannebrog (the royal yacht) and maintenance for sailing boats
• spare parts and support for gearboxes on "larger" navy ships
• IT consulting/training for navy personnel

 

[swerve]

I suppose it's a convenient location, as well as being close to DALO HQ (which I wasn't aware of). Easy to get to from central Copenhagen, e.g. by S-tog (I've done that trip many times), & the venues are probably cheap compared to somewhere more central, or near the port.

 

[Musashi_kenshin]

Scottish shipyard may build frigates for Sweden and Denmark

The UK is working on prospective shipbuilding orders centred on Babcock’s Type 31 frigate built at Rosyth, joining Norway’s recent intention to procure Type 26 frigates built in Glasgow.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Can anyone with access to the Danish media comment on how likely this would be? Supposedly the negotiations with Denmark are near to "nailed on".

 

[Vivendi]

I would be wary of trusting anonymous sources. Let's wait and see. Denmark is looking for an AAW frigate. The German F127 might be a better choice, but I am not sure how it works with the timelines.

 

[swerve]

I don't see Denmark buying Type 31. Another variant of the AH140, perhaps, e.g. something more like the Polish Miecznik/Wicher class, currently under construction.
Miecznik – Poland’s ambitious adaptation of the Arrowhead 140 frigate - Navy Lookout

Navy Lookout on AH140 sales to Scandinavia

 

[Musashi_kenshin]

I would be wary of trusting anonymous sources. Let's wait and see. Denmark is looking for an AAW frigate. The German F127 might be a better choice, but I am not sure how it works with the timelines.

The Type 31 has lots of space for MK41 cells, so could carry lots of missiles. As for sensors, the Poles are already getting an enhanced package on their frigates, so I'm sure Denmark could have the same. They'd just need to wait for the Royal Navy ships to be finished.

I don't see Denmark buying Type 31. Another variant of the AH140, perhaps, e.g. something more like the Polish Miecznik/Wicher class, currently under construction.

That's splitting hairs at this stage. It doesn't matter if it's Type 31 or a Type 31 derivative. The key point is that - according to the news story - it would be manufactured in the UK.

 

[swerve]

I only said that because I've seen comments elsewhere about Denmark not buying Type 31 because they want a high-end AAW ship. I felt it could be worth pointing out that any Danish ship doesn't have to have the same fitout as T31, & other variants of the same basic design are available, just not called T31.

They could even dust off the Iver Huitfeldt design for superstructure mods.

 

[Vivendi]

I hope the Danes go for very high level AAW frigates. The threat of drones and cruise missiles are now being complemented by threat of ballistic and hypersonic missiles, and those threats will most likely proliferate in the next 30 years. Most likely only the most high-end systems will offer a decent level of survivability against near-peer enemies in the future. So it's probably better to buy a small number of frigates and make sure they actually can contribute in a high-end war, rather than trying to save a few million dollars.

 

[John Fedup]

Given the cost of high performance AA missiles, any future AAW ships really need lots of power for future direct energy weapons which hopefully arrive soon and actually work. Even a large number of missile cells can be quickly exhausted and replenishment at sea isn't ready yet. Then there is the issue of missile production. The USN fired off an alarming number of missiles during recent action in the ME.

 

[Vivendi]

I wonder if railguns can stage a comeback.

Railgun Installed On Japanese Warship Seen In New Photos

 

[John Fedup]

I wonder if railguns can stage a comeback.

Railgun Installed On Japanese Warship Seen In New Photos

Japan and China think so but durability seems to be an issue. Probably lasers and microwave weapons will be fielded first.....and given the huge worldwide investment in submarines, perhaps they will become the dominant naval vessels in the future.

 

[Musashi_kenshin]

Given the cost of high performance AA missiles, any future AAW ships really need lots of power for future direct energy weapons which hopefully arrive soon and actually work. Even a large number of missile cells can be quickly exhausted and replenishment at sea isn't ready yet. Then there is the issue of missile production. The USN fired off an alarming number of missiles during recent action in the ME.

That rules out the FDI, then, it's a relatively small ship designed for at most moderate-intensity warfare. Standard loadout is 16 Sylver cells - Greece is getting 24, and Indonesia might get 32. Where do you fit DEWs on it?

As for the GMF-120, it does have a lot more missiles than the FDI. However, it's also a new concept and therefore (my favourite phrase) risky. It also looks fairly compact and again may not have room for new equipment.

The Type 31 has far more space than the FDI for growth and possibly the GMF-120. I think it also has a bit more power generation than the FDI. Finally, it's already under construction.

 

[swerve]

Is Indonesia buying FDI as well as PPA (first of two's due to arrive in a few days: last stop was Sri Lanka) & AH140 (two under construction in Indonesia)?

There are 6 FDI building, for France & Greece. The first two are on sea trials.