Probable new croatian corvette design

[Ragusian]

Hello!

Here's what our designers have been working on. There has been some talk recently about croatia buying Gowind 200 corvettes(which I was in favour), but today it has been announced that a domesticaly built and designed corvette will be used to patrol and serve in our coast guard and navy. The design is reportedly already pretty much finished, and construction might occur before the end of this year, with four units planned in first batch, all to be built in a very short time of one and a half years. Two of those will be built as navy ships, fully armed, and two will serve with the coast gurad, but ready to arm itself on short notice. The design is said to be of modular nature. Sensors, armament and equipment is to be of both domestical and foreign components. I think it is possible that swedes will play a major part in this vessel's armed systems, as out two goverments have recently signed a contract about defence cooperation. So, probably a RBS-1x will be found inside.
Here are some informations about the ship, as well as a artists impression of the ship itself...

displacemnt: around 1000 tonns
length:78 meters
propulsion: 3 3000 kW diesels
speed:25 knots
crew:30-50

to add: our missile gunboats are getting new engines this year also, and their RBS-15s are getting upgrade and service from swedes.

 

[Sea Toby]

Yes, the corvettes do look wonderful. I am sure this a welcomed development for the Croatian naval forces. Cheers!

 

[contedicavour]

Good news indeed for the Croatian Navy.

Which missile system is aft on top of the hangar ? RAM ?

Which helo would be selected ?

Only shame is for the 57mm, since as you may imagine we'd love to sell our 76/62 SR - strales

cheers

 

[isthvan]

Good news indeed for the Croatian Navy.

Which missile system is aft on top of the hangar ? RAM ?

Which helo would be selected ?

Only shame is for the 57mm, since as you may imagine we'd love to sell our 76/62 SR - strales

cheers

It looks like RAM but I doubt that they choose air defense systems at this time. Same goes for helicopter...

As for RBS-15 and 57mm they will probably be used since Navy already has them on FACs...

 

[Ragusian]

Which missile system is aft on top of the hangar ? RAM ?

Which helo would be selected ?

Probably RAM, but there's no hangar, I think. The ship is not that big.
The word is that NATO wants us to patrol the adriatic and the Otrant gates(what's the Italian expression?), that's why I suppose they hurried up construction and decison, since our FACs are too small and cramped. A good move, I think. I really hate those ugly FACs

 

[contedicavour]

Probably RAM, but there's no hangar, I think. The ship is not that big.
The word is that NATO wants us to patrol the adriatic and the Otrant gates(what's the Italian expression?), that's why I suppose they hurried up construction and decison, since our FACs are too small and cramped. A good move, I think. I really hate those ugly FACs

We call it Canale d'Otranto. Since we'll have to focus on the rest of the Med, Red Sea and Indian Ocean, it's good to have help with policing the Adriatic. Though why would Croatia patrol so much south from its southernmost border just above Montenegro ?
If that is indeed the objective, you'll need at least a dozen patrollers since your coastline is very long already. Hence, helos would be definitively needed as force multipliers. If NH-90 is too big, then A-109Power can be navalized and made available.

cheers

 

[Ragusian]

We call it Canale d'Otranto. Since we'll have to focus on the rest of the Med, Red Sea and Indian Ocean, it's good to have help with policing the Adriatic. Though why would Croatia patrol so much south from its southernmost border just above Montenegro ?

Well, basicaly because Montenegro will probably not be able to do it. I've heard that your(Italian) Navy has offered them 2 Maestrale class corvettes, stripped of all fancy armament for them to do the job. But I guess it's a matter of money for montenegro(they are selling virtually everything that's left and has some value, Konis are probably gone to egypt, aswell as some gunboats and other ships). And our southern border on the sea is much further south that most would imagine, because of the point Ostro(the Peninsula of Prevlaka, as it is called by us), because of which our border runs deep into what should be montenegro's sea.

If that is indeed the objective, you'll need at least a dozen patrollers since your coastline is very long already. Hence, helos would be definitively needed as force multipliers. If NH-90 is too big, then A-109Power can be navalized and made available.

10 new (NATO plug&play capable) Mi-17s are arriving(all the Mi-8 are upgraded too), starting from this autumn. But I guess that navy will be forced to buy something, because these choppers are huge and heavy(and expensive to run), not so good for SARs and landing on anything smaller than a large LHD.
I hope there will be more than 4 off these corvettes, because you are wright. With refits and service/overhaul time, and the size off our coastline, we should be aiming for more, I'd say atleast 8(4 navy + 4 coast guard). And a new class of logistic and support ship too, I guess.

 

[contedicavour]

Well, basicaly because Montenegro will probably not be able to do it. I've heard that your(Italian) Navy has offered them 2 Maestrale class corvettes, stripped of all fancy armament for them to do the job. But I guess it's a matter of money for montenegro(they are selling virtually everything that's left and has some value, Konis are probably gone to egypt, aswell as some gunboats and other ships). And our southern border on the sea is much further south that most would imagine, because of the point Ostro(the Peninsula of Prevlaka, as it is called by us), because of which our border runs deep into what should be montenegro's sea.



10 new (NATO plug&play capable) Mi-17s are arriving(all the Mi-8 are upgraded too), starting from this autumn. But I guess that navy will be forced to buy something, because these choppers are huge and heavy(and expensive to run), not so good for SARs and landing on anything smaller than a large LHD.
I hope there will be more than 4 off these corvettes, because you are wright. With refits and service/overhaul time, and the size off our coastline, we should be aiming for more, I'd say atleast 8(4 navy + 4 coast guard). And a new class of logistic and support ship too, I guess.

I wasn't aware of the proposal our Navy made to Montenegro - btw you say Maestrale corvettes but I imagine you meant Minerva corvettes as the Maestrale are relatively big FFGs and we won't decommission any until the first FREMM arrive in 2011.

cheers

 

[isthvan]

10 new (NATO plug&play capable) Mi-17s are arriving(all the Mi-8 are upgraded too), starting from this autumn. But I guess that navy will be forced to buy something, because these choppers are huge and heavy(and expensive to run), not so good for SARs and landing on anything smaller than a large LHD.
I hope there will be more than 4 off these corvettes, because you are wright. With refits and service/overhaul time, and the size off our coastline, we should be aiming for more, I'd say atleast 8(4 navy + 4 coast guard). And a new class of logistic and support ship too, I guess.

Unfortunately there is little understanding for navy need for helicopters since some in government obviously don't understand that Mi-171s and Mi-8s aren't suited for those tasks...
Considering that size of new corvette there is desperate need for something in A-109 class. IMHO best solution for corvette/OPV would be AS 555 SN/AS 555 MN combo...

 

[Tasman]

Unfortunately there is little understanding for navy need for helicopters since some in government obviously don't understand that Mi-171s and Mi-8s aren't suited for those tasks...
Considering that size of new corvette there is desperate need for something in A-109 class. IMHO best solution for corvette/OPV would be AS 555 SN/AS 555 MN combo...

Hmm... Politicians who don't understand the difference between one type of helicopter and another and who don't understand naval needs! Why aren't I surprised?

Let's hope that common sense prevails isthvan and that the government wakes up to the fact that the corvettes will not be nearly as effective as they ought to be if they are not given a suitable helicopter. BTW, I like the solution you suggest.

Cheers

 

[contedicavour]

Unfortunately there is little understanding for navy need for helicopters since some in government obviously don't understand that Mi-171s and Mi-8s aren't suited for those tasks...
Considering that size of new corvette there is desperate need for something in A-109 class. IMHO best solution for corvette/OPV would be AS 555 SN/AS 555 MN combo...

May be the Croatian defence ministry is planning to buy very cheap second hand helos for the OPV/corvettes. That would explain why no new programme has been started for ship-based helos. On this side of the Adriatic we'll soon have several AB212ASW surplus as the NH90s arrive. They can land on 80-metre long Cassiopea OPVH so they should fit on the new Croatian ships.

cheers