President General Pervez Musharraf in china
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JF-17 Progress
Is this prototype-4? However Thanks for Sharing updated News.
Is this prototype-4? However Thanks for Sharing updated News.
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100 can be too high.pshamim said:
If 75 F-16s and 100 J-10s and also a lot of thunders would be coming.Then where would that third european fighter go.>>>> Now it becomes the fourth fighter or J-10 is the third fighter but both of these chinees planes are having trouble with their radars.For God sake solve this problem and the opt.
well, PAF did say a few months ago that they are deciding between F-16, Gripen and J-10. The F-16 doesn't make much sense, since they are already getting 80 of them. I guess it's between Gripen and J-10 for PAF. I'm not sure how many they are going for though. As for their radars, there are no problems at all. I have no idea what you are talking about. The biggest problem for any export to PAF of J-10 and JF-17 is whether or not the indigenous engine will be ready. Especially WS-13, because it has not even started testing yet.TheDefender said:
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Sorry I really forgot the engine whirlpool.The situation is getting worse and worse.India dosent want Pakistan to get Russian defence products and Pakistan will be in a lot of trouble if she is unable to get the russian engines.tphuang said:
I wouldnt say that pshamim. President said he was shown J-10, its a good fighter, certainly as good as other high-tech fighters around the world right now & we would put it on the list...from what he was saying it seemed like he was saying that 'we would consider it.' You must also remember that last year AVM said PAF was looking into European platforms, besides F-16s, & European countries are also willing to go ahead with the deal. How ever decision would be made after evaluations which would take some time.pshamim said:
I wouldnt say Pakistan is going to buy J-10 for sure but yes it would be up there on the list.
SABRE said:
Did someone remind the dear President that just recently he found himself going around the whole World begging for lift helicopters?
The PAF needs to be looking towards the needs of the nation, not of its pilots egos (and their irrational paranoia. A few more rotary wings, and less fixed wings, may be what Pakistan actually needs.
You know one of the reasons why the PAF wants new fighters? The most dangerous aircraft to fly in the PAF is the Mirage III/V and ROSE-I/II/III, as they crash more frequently. Unlike the IAF's MiG-21/23/27s and Jaguars that crash, the PAF has experienced officers and valuable pilots flying the Mirages; if a pilot died in a Mirage crash, that is a serious blow to the PAF's experience, skill pool, and seniority!Sea Dog said:
BTW, it is not the PAF who needs helicopters, its the Army who needs them; those who are more involved in those earthquake areas. Perhaps someone should tell the civilian officials to stop spending on concessions and more on helicopters?
There was already a plan to induct more Mi-17s prior to the October Earth Quake. After the Earth quake the spokeman of the army, on some talk you, said that army is planning to purchase more lift helicopters than planned previously but the earth quake has also lead Pakistan to consider other lift helicopters other than Mi-17. He complained that Mi-17 was not capable of flying in harsh mountain weather and at night. He also mentioned other Russian lift helicopter which army was impressed off. Pakistan army is also impressed by Chinooks but lets wait & see.
Order of a dozen Mi-17s and 66 Bell-412s and Bell-407s were in place prior to the Earthquake; just because they weren't delivered in time, does not make it the PAF's fault. Some people can be so inept because of their hate. The Army is considering heavy-lift helicopters like Chinook and Mi-26; and new medium lift helicopters like the S-70 Blackhawk, Z-9, and AS565 Panther.
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I didn't realise the the Mirage's were crashing. I thought they were quite reliable considering their age. In any case I think Pakistan needs to spend more on its defence needs.
If Russia is allowing the Chinese to provide the RD93 to Pakistan then there shouldn't be that much trouble for the Chinese to export the AL31 with the F10. In any case the Chinese can always give the Russians the two fingered salute if they are placing restrictions on the exports of the engines. I think the Russians need the Chinese more than the Chinese need the Russians. China.
In any case if the Chinese are offering the F10 for export to Pakistan then they must be in a position to export the article in question. Otherwise why would they offer the plane for export?
I would go for the F10, as Chinese planes have been very reliable and dependable in Pakistan airforce service.
If Russia is allowing the Chinese to provide the RD93 to Pakistan then there shouldn't be that much trouble for the Chinese to export the AL31 with the F10. In any case the Chinese can always give the Russians the two fingered salute if they are placing restrictions on the exports of the engines. I think the Russians need the Chinese more than the Chinese need the Russians. China.
In any case if the Chinese are offering the F10 for export to Pakistan then they must be in a position to export the article in question. Otherwise why would they offer the plane for export?
I would go for the F10, as Chinese planes have been very reliable and dependable in Pakistan airforce service.
Well since F-16's have the highest crash rate of the USAF a/c, and are flown by very experience & valuable USAF pilots, then if one follows your logic then the PAF won't want to receive anymore F-16's--gotta save all those "experience and valuable pilots" over there too, eh?BilalK said:
Well are you forgetting that the Pakistan Air Force is literally less than 1/10 the size of the U.S Air Force in terms of just about everything? Did you also forget that the PAF has an enemy literally next door; and it can come under attack at anytime during war? And in the U.S, who usually do fly the F-16A/B and Block-30/32s....other than commanders, do we see Lieutenent Colonel's fly them a lot? No. In the PAF we have people as high as Colonel or even Brigadier flying Mirages and being put in risk...and honestly, whats the moral in keeping a 40 year old aircraft?Sea Dog said:
BTW, PAF's F-16 crash rates have been significantly less as compared to Mirage; and on that logic it would be a better choice to put senior PAF officers on F-16. It is a good choice to keep the athmospheres of two entirely different air forces apart.
No one talked about who is the "real threat", I clearly said "come under attack" and that too "in war".
Before you start crossing over to the ad-hominems, I suggest you re-read my post several times and understand it. I realize comprehension for dimwits is tough, but you should get through it (unless you're a 13 year old).
Sea Dog said:
And why is that then? Is that why the US is offering F16's to Pakistan?
And how many people in the West are you representing in this issue? Has it got anything to do with those cartoons written by so called liberals who don't know the difference between a monkey and a human?
Maybe some people believe that the US is also offering F16's to India for that reason . People like yourself.
At that same time may be argued by others that it may be to stop purchasing Chinese fighters and also China having too much influence over Pakistan.
Are we moving away from the topic here?
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