Paintball

[ThunderBolt]

I love paintball, I started playing paintball around 3 years ago since I already loved playing war games paintballing was a physically challenging sport. I am not in the army nor am I planning to but I know a lot of people who are in the army and play paintball. I personally believe that joining the army defiantly has an influence on whether you start playing paintball or not.

I just need your guys’ opinion on whether you think that if some guy who has never played paintball before would have a higher chance of trying paintball if he is or will join the army. And if there is someone who is in the army and plays paintball would they be a better player than others.

And for the paintball marker owners, I would really like to read what your marker is and whether you customized it or not.

 

[Analyst]

I played paintball for a 6 years now, but not on a regular basis. I never went into military, but I expect to join-up this summer because of the $$$ benefits for students.

Here are my observations of behaviors of people playing paintball:

-Some people who have never played before have a tendency of elaborating complex strategies and tactics. Yet, once the game begins, their plan goes to hell. The either aggregate into groups of 2 or 3 and follow a zig-zag pattern toward the objectif, or they go at it alone. They follow natural or man-made paths and tend to avoid bushes, even though vegetation provides the best cover. When under fire, they almost always find cover and stay there the whole time. For some reason, they seem scared shitless of being shot at... Others just burn ammo like there is no tomorrow.

-I played against a group of soldiers once, a group of 20 or so. They were very disciplined and worked well toghether (but they were very much full of themselves). But they kept moving into large groups of 6 people...Such large groups are great to concentrate fire and stuff, but they also are easely spotted and they constitute a large number of potential targets in a small area...I guess paintball tactics are very differet then infantry tactics because, I think, encounters are done in a much more compact area, weapons have a very small range and there is very little intellignce available on the position of the ennemy.

-Personnaly, I prefer to stay by myslef ALL THE TIME, except in a defensive position (like in a building). Groups are noisy, slow and they attract attention (thus they get shot at). Also, I like to see my targets and I don't waste too much ammo on blind shots. This require me to always be on the move. Third, I like vegetation...the more, the better. This provides the best cover (leaves deflect paintballs)and hides movement. So I always stay in the forest and I never follow paths. This is the reason why I hate indoor paintball so much : there is only small, pre-set cover points that are very close to each other. It invariably ends up in a speed-ball match, where you burn a lot of ammo.

 

[ThunderBolt]

I played paintball for a 6 years now, but not on a regular basis. I never went into military, but I expect to join-up this summer because of the $$$ benefits for students.

Here are my observations of behaviors of people playing paintball:

-Some people who have never played before have a tendency of elaborating complex strategies and tactics. Yet, once the game begins, their plan goes to hell. The either aggregate into groups of 2 or 3 and follow a zig-zag pattern toward the objectif, or they go at it alone. They follow natural or man-made paths and tend to avoid bushes, even though vegetation provides the best cover. When under fire, they almost always find cover and stay there the whole time. For some reason, they seem scared shitless of being shot at... Others just burn ammo like there is no tomorrow.

-I played against a group of soldiers once, a group of 20 or so. They were very disciplined and worked well toghether (but they were very much full of themselves). But they kept moving into large groups of 6 people...Such large groups are great to concentrate fire and stuff, but they also are easely spotted and they constitute a large number of potential targets in a small area...I guess paintball tactics are very differet then infantry tactics because, I think, encounters are done in a much more compact area, weapons have a very small range and there is very little intellignce available on the position of the ennemy.

-Personnaly, I prefer to stay by myslef ALL THE TIME, except in a defensive position (like in a building). Groups are noisy, slow and they attract attention (thus they get shot at). Also, I like to see my targets and I don't waste too much ammo on blind shots. This require me to always be on the move. Third, I like vegetation...the more, the better. This provides the best cover (leaves deflect paintballs)and hides movement. So I always stay in the forest and I never follow paths. This is the reason why I hate indoor paintball so much : there is only small, pre-set cover points that are very close to each other. It invariably ends up in a speed-ball match, where you burn a lot of ammo.

Actually I think that it depends on the type of game you play, if you play speedball than no questions asked but if you play recball or bush ball than I think that working as a squad is a better choice. Although I am a member of a team, we never used to work as a team, just lone wolf style, but now days we are training a lot more as a group and hopefully we will work as a group since we only play recball/senario ball our field is a mix of both. For us working as a squad is the way to go and so far we have been winning games.

But I myself usually work alone since I am a sniper (note: some people believe that there is no such thing as a paintball sniper...). What I have noticed is that people think of recball as speedball and start wasting ammo... other newbs just hide behind bunkers like you said and end up being flanked by our team's Alpha squad while they are under heavy fire from our team's Bravo squad, but if the OP-FOR is in small numbers my team leader might radio me and ask me to do the sniping and this works out as well.

This one time I myself played against soldiers it was a 5(of us) vs. 3 of them, they beat the hell out of us, we were quite ashamed. Do you have a marker, my marker setup is C98 16 inch progressive barrel (the old one) with custom gillie cover and regular hopper and 20oz tank both with custom camo tape and finally a red dot electronic point sight.

 

[XEROX]

Intresting thread, my first experience was last year, we found out after the 1st game we were actually playing against guys from the army, dam it hurt.

Last time we played, it was agaisnt my team vs their team vs "Preditor" ( a monster shooting 14 balls per second at you if you move)

http://www.ypc.co.uk/pages/monsters.htm

 

[ThunderBolt]

Intresting thread, my first experience was last year, we found out after the 1st game we were actually playing against guys from the army, dam it hurt.

Last time we played, it was agaisnt my team vs their team vs "Preditor" ( a monster shooting 14 balls per second at you if you move)

http://www.ypc.co.uk/pages/monsters.htm

Do you happen to remember what type of marker (paintball gun) they were using, 14 balls per second is pretty fast, mine is semi and it can top out at around 8, but my team's Bravo squad (all of them have they same gun)'s gun can top out at around 17 balls per second.

Is there any good fields in UK, i mean we might come over there and play.

 

[Analyst]

To latest autococker or some guns with turbo triggers can deliver 15 rps, but accuracy is very shitty! (with rates like that, you can empty your loader in less than 11 seconds.). Also, I saw a gun with a electronic sersor for the barrel chamber and a weird double-trigger (that was turbo too!). I think it had a silly, pompous name, like 'Angel of Death' or something...anyways, it topped 16 rps (it was a test, not in an actual game) : the guy was just shooting with the turbo and snow was coming out of the muzzle. Also, to get rates of fire like that, you need an electric loader.

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/smartparts/nerve/rebound/


My marker is a Spyder 2 Cl, customized and i never shoot so much. Since I have a regular loader, rounds have a tendecy of breaking-up in the chamber afetr 5 or 6 rps, jamming my gun in the proces...

Tell me: you said you had a radio link with your buddies? Wow, you guys are motivated. Is it really usefull? I guess so, but I guess you have to maintain chatter-discipline, right?

 

[XEROX]

Do you happen to remember what type of marker (paintball gun) they were using

We were using basic "Inferno" semi auto paintball gun, the monsters chasing us were shooting with 14 balls per second, dont know the guns they were using.

Is there any good fields in UK, i mean we might come over there and play.

Last one i went to is the largest in my region, its in 100 acres of woodlands, we have 8 games, all diffrent scenarios,
"Bomb The Castle", with the defending team protecting the castle.
"Beiruit", this is the best, you have bridges, buildings, cars, river and bomb craters,
"The Bunker", forgot what we did in this game
"Village Combat", the usual trying to wipe out the other team going through the village
"Pyramids", playing through 70 pyramids, trying to capture the flag
"Destroy the Radar", we had to infiltarte and destroy the radar

and the usual capture the flag and arenaball

you can also paintball from quad bikes, how cool is that:hehe

 

[ThunderBolt]

To latest autococker or some guns with turbo triggers can deliver 15 rps, but accuracy is very shitty! (with rates like that, you can empty your loader in less than 11 seconds.). Also, I saw a gun with a electronic sersor for the barrel chamber and a weird double-trigger (that was turbo too!). I think it had a silly, pompous name, like 'Angel of Death' or something...anyways, it topped 16 rps (it was a test, not in an actual game) : the guy was just shooting with the turbo and snow was coming out of the muzzle. Also, to get rates of fire like that, you need an electric loader.

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/smartparts/nerve/rebound/


My marker is a Spyder 2 Cl, customized and i never shoot so much. Since I have a regular loader, rounds have a tendecy of breaking-up in the chamber afetr 5 or 6 rps, jamming my gun in the proces...

Tell me: you said you had a radio link with your buddies? Wow, you guys are motivated. Is it really usefull? I guess so, but I guess you have to maintain chatter-discipline, right?

The only reason I bought the Tippmann 98 custom was that it was extremely reliable and also you could either customize it to look like an AK, M4, M82(sniper), or another tournament gun. The reliable part comes in handy when I shoot as fast as I could move my fingers back and forth with a regular $5 hopper and not break a single ball. So far I broke 2 out of 2000 balls and these were (ZAP)...[and that’s the worst]

About the radio part, yeah it is very useful its just a Motorola with headsets (that’s pretty sweat) nothing too fancy but the fact is other than me and my team leader no one else usually has even enough time to plan the next moves. Usually our team leader makes plans because he is in the safest place on the field and he radio’s us and we work according to him. The fact that our teams formation looks like a U and the fact that we work in several fire teams, gives each team enough time to radio for reinforcements. Our team uses code words not because they sound extremely cool on the radio but because for us the time is of the essence and explaining would probably take 2ic or 3rice the time it would take to use the code words. We are not that good of a team like Dynasty or something but we are pretty hard core, for example any recruit will have to go through some pretty intense training. For example every time we have a practice we run for 800 meters from A to B and right after the running we try to shoot targets with limited ammo and time for stamina exercises. We also do target practice while our own buddies are shooting at us, this enables us to work a lot more coolly during when we are under heavy fire in the real games.

 

[ThunderBolt]

We were using basic "Inferno" semi auto paintball gun, the monsters chasing us were shooting with 14 balls per second, dont know the guns they were using.


Last one i went to is the largest in my region, its in 100 acres of woodlands, we have 8 games, all diffrent scenarios,
"Bomb The Castle", with the defending team protecting the castle.
"Beiruit", this is the best, you have bridges, buildings, cars, river and bomb craters,
"The Bunker", forgot what we did in this game
"Village Combat", the usual trying to wipe out the other team going through the village
"Pyramids", playing through 70 pyramids, trying to capture the flag
"Destroy the Radar", we had to infiltarte and destroy the radar

and the usual capture the flag and arenaball

you can also paintball from quad bikes, how cool is that:hehe

Man this sounds like a pretty crazy field, so you are telling me that all of these fields are owned by the same guy, and if that is true he must be rich, lol.

 

[long live usa]

i play paintaball maybe twice a month the first time i hear there is a paintball game going on i go buy myself a "pump" gun that does not use a 9 or 20 ounce tank but little canisters of co2 so not only did i have to pump the d@mn thing i also had to change those things every 6 or 7 shots i was crushed!being fired at with semi auto and fully automatic fire while my little pump was losing velocity i was also wearing a d@mn t-shirt!nfloorl: <thats me after the match)so i took that pump and threw it in the trash! after that i bought an A-5 (its a reliable gun) and fair moderatly well, my point is dont go to a game with peaple that play alot with one of those pumps!

 

[ThunderBolt]

i play paintaball maybe twice a month the first time i hear there is a paintball game going on i go buy myself a "pump" gun that does not use a 9 or 20 ounce tank but little canisters of co2 so not only did i have to pump the d@mn thing i also had to change those things every 6 or 7 shots i was crushed!being fired at with semi auto and fully automatic fire while my little pump was losing velocity i was also wearing a d@mn t-shirt!nfloorl: <thats me after the match)so i took that pump and threw it in the trash! after that i bought an A-5 (its a reliable gun) and fair moderatly well, my point is dont go to a game with peaple that play alot with one of those pumps!

This was the gun that i was going to buy, but then my buget didn't allow me to spend that much money as a newbie so i fell for its older brother the C98, and yes it is also very reliable. Dude have you customize your marker or is it still the stock version, i have spent more than 100 bucks on mine already and planning on spending more.

 

[Analyst]

I am ambivalent on the use of pumps. I first tough that thses types of guns were useless, considering you always had to pump, and limited rapid-fire. They are quite useless for my style of play. But, I once saw a guy who played snipper with a fully customized pump-action marker. He had a very long barrel, X1.5 to X2 sight, a small frame-rack loader and a indicator showing the expected velocity of the next shot based on the pressure inside the chamber (that's how he explained it, but I'm not sure I got it right). Man, his gun was TOP-CLASS! I'm not sure is system respected the velocity regulations on the field, but his shots were very accurate!

 

[long live usa]

This was the gun that i was going to buy, but then my buget didn't allow me to spend that much money as a newbie so i fell for its older brother the C98, and yes it is also very reliable. Dude have you customize your marker or is it still the stock version, i have spent more than 100 bucks on mine already and planning on spending more.

Well i was going to buy a spider imagine but it looked kind of like a whimpish gun and felt like a toy then i saw that beast the A-5 and it looked and felt like a real weapon plus i would rather fire like this:sniper than like this:ar15 the first time i played with it it was so reliable not breaking one ball because of that cyclone feeding sytem i also got the A-5 flatline barrel they will hear were you are but it wont matter because they will probably be out of range to hit you and if your in heavy foilyedge just crawl under it and they wont hit you i never play in indoor stadiums i play in the woods wearing camo pants and camo jacket and i usually carry about another hopper worth of balls(Another reason why i didint want that spider un loading 14 balls a second would leave you out of ammo real qick) those alongwith excitment can get you very sweaty but other than that barrel its pretty much stock also when the guys that i play with and i, plan what were going to do during the match the plan goes to hell in a hand bag within minutes and every one starts fireing at anything that moves i also tried playing with walkie talkies but when i did my team mates kept asking "were are you, dude were are you!"and when they get atacked they scream "dude get the hell over here!!"i ask "were are you?"and they say "by that one big d@mn tree!"it took a few painful lessons to get to know how to use them right but now we do well with them we are not proffesionals but the 5 person team im in can beat a group of 12 newbies easily man now thats fun stuff to see half the noob team walking along a trail in the woods and just rain paint on them i know fire teams are good but walking together at arms length on a trail is insane

 

[ThunderBolt]

I think I owe to explain a bit about our fire teams, because I think you guys are thinking a huge group of players, very closely together..., or maybe not.

We only play with a 5-6 or 15-25(depending on the type) players, we work in a slightly U shaped formation and every player is ~20-25 feet from one another, we spread this 5-6 man team over the whole width of the plain field.

Note: The formations below are not always the same the FTA is not ALWAYS on the right side and so on…
FTA (Fire Team Alpha) consists of 2 Rifle men, with only semi auto guns, FTA would be on the right side. FTB consists of 2 heavy gunners, this would be our strong side and they would be on the right side, the team leader is also another rifleman and he is ALWAYS at the bottom of the U. I on the other hand work as a freely moving sniper as instructed by our team leader.

And if we have another person he could be of any class but his job would be to assist me, if I need him. Let’s say if FTA encounters the enemy’s weak side than their training should allow them to eliminate them, and that means that our FTB would be encountering the enemies strong side, and what we would do is carefully but swiftly close in around the enemies strong side. FTA would close in but I would stay at a distance with the TL.

Like as I said before our team goes through rigorous practices and man do I ever hate them, because they hurt way too much... loll

Here is another one, that anyone of you guys can try and its very help full. Each member of our team goes through what we call is ONSE (or Ounce), this is OutNumberedSurvivalExercieses in this case we would put one person alone (only for heavy gunners and sadly me) and the team of 2 players (for everyone and especially for FTA) against a lot greater force. But to make this part realistic we usually get like 10 people against one heavy gunner, and these 10 people have to be newbs or we can get 3 from our own team against the heavy gunner although this is still pretty unrealistic but it seems that the heavy gunners from FTB seem to be lasting a bit longer each time we practice.

Here is a very interesting part, a lot of our tactics come from the game Full Spectrum Warrior, BTW those tactics do work and the rest come from our team leader’s dad who is sergeant in the army and a sniper and the cool part is that we get to go on the actual army training facility with burned up tanks and man is it ever so cool.

This is what our team leader tells us all, and especially the newbs, “Go beat the hell out of the newbs, but remember you can’t beat the newbs just cause you have the training and they don’t, but what counts is the experience and we are not the pros ‘cause pros have the experience but we don’t, so go and get shot a couple of times and than you will tell me that the training was worth it.”

To keep discipline, we have an application forum, and who every wants to join our team has to agree to some very basic rules, such as you will have to do the training and you will obey every command from your leader even if it is to STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD AND GET SHOT.

Each new recruit receives an over view journal that goes over how our team works, some general issues and what they will be trained for. Since we have a newer version of this Basics Field Manuel I guess if any of you guys want I can probably post it on this forum.

 

[ThunderBolt]

I am ambivalent on the use of pumps. I first tough that thses types of guns were useless, considering you always had to pump, and limited rapid-fire. They are quite useless for my style of play. But, I once saw a guy who played snipper with a fully customized pump-action marker. He had a very long barrel, X1.5 to X2 sight, a small frame-rack loader and a indicator showing the expected velocity of the next shot based on the pressure inside the chamber (that's how he explained it, but I'm not sure I got it right). Man, his gun was TOP-CLASS! I'm not sure is system respected the velocity regulations on the field, but his shots were very accurate!

I totally agree with you that pumps marker are extremely accurate, and usually close ported which means that replacing the stock barrel with a carbon fiber barrel means that it would the quietest marker on the field and its legal… as you should know that silencers are illegal. But what if you are caught in a fierce fire fight, that’s why I bought a C98 which can shoot ~7-9 balls per second depending on the shooter.

 

[long live usa]

when my 5 man team plays we have 2 guys with fully auto markers and the rest of us are semi auto and usually when we try these fire team U shaped formations we usually all split up and run like hell when a single shot is fired somtimes it works to get up in a tree and try to get the jump on somone but if your seen in that tree! kiss your @ss good bye!!, but spliting up against a good team is suicide as we painfully learned but what we do somtimes now is find a really good spot to sit and wait for them to come(a place were a tree has fallen or a pile of rocks)but my team is does like to sit and wait so we usually wear watches and send scouts out on 10 minute trips to tell us how close they are most of the time they come back somtimes they dont but when these "well trained" teams walk into our fortified position they are crushed!!

 

[ThunderBolt]

when my 5 man team plays we have 2 guys with fully auto markers and the rest of us are semi auto and usually when we try these fire team U shaped formations we usually all split up and run like hell when a single shot is fired somtimes it works to get up in a tree and try to get the jump on somone but if your seen in that tree! kiss your @ss good bye!!, but spliting up against a good team is suicide as we painfully learned but what we do somtimes now is find a really good spot to sit and wait for them to come(a place were a tree has fallen or a pile of rocks)but my team is does like to sit and wait so we usually wear watches and send scouts out on 10 minute trips to tell us how close they are most of the time they come back somtimes they dont but when these "well trained" teams walk into our fortified position they are crushed!!

So you guys are campers, thats a nice way to go to, but sooner or later the enemy is going to figure out your techniuqe and you guys will be flanked, that is unless you guys have an extremly crazy plan. Do you guys have any snipers, like i mean actual snipers who can pick targets at the range where none of the other guns in your team can, its always nice to have snipers.

 

[Bfn42]

You guys ever hear of speedball? It's like paintball, only faster guns(rps), and it's a little quicker pace. My Evil Omen can shoot up 25bps, but technically speaking, it's physically impossible for me to move my fingers that fast. Then, theres much better guns, like pimps, and ego's, and angels, that usually come with ramping capabilities. They can ramp anywhere from 15 - 40 bps...which is truly insane. But I find paintball much more enjoyable than speedball.

 

[long live usa]

So you guys are campers, thats a nice way to go to, but sooner or later the enemy is going to figure out your techniuqe and you guys will be flanked, that is unless you guys have an extremly crazy plan. Do you guys have any snipers, like i mean actual snipers who can pick targets at the range where none of the other guns in your team can, its always nice to have snipers

i dont think that we can get flanked when we set up these formations there wide and they will have an heavy gunner to ancer the flanks as for the sniper one of the guys on the team wants to get a good pump that is well fitted for a sniper he already has a "paint ball hand gun" wich loads threw the grip holding about 15 paint balls and uses co2 cartedges he said that if somone got close and he could not fire back with his pump he would pull that out and use it for close range fighting it actually a very cool gun it came with three extra magizenes wich can be easily re loaded he already uses that when he goes on patrol leaving his semi auto prefering to take that on stealthy reacon missions im thinking about getting one myself

 

[shrub]

I love paintball, i started playing paintball around 3 years ago since i already loved playing war games paintballing was a physically chalenging sport. I am not in the army nor am i planing to but i know alot of people who are in the army and play paintball. I personaly think that joining the army definatly has an effect on whether you start playing paintball or not.

I just need your guys opinion on whether you think that if some guy who has never played paintball before would have a higher chance of trying paintball if he is or will join the army. And if there is someone who is in the army and plays paintball would they be a better player than others.

i only started playing paintball after joining the military