PAF adds new bombs to its arsenal

Oqaab

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PAF adds new bombs to its arsenal


By Arshad Sharif

ISLAMABAD, Dec 17: Pakistan Air Force has integrated the H-4 out-of-sight target bombs in its arsenal of fighter aircraft, official sources said. The incorporation of H-4 bombs have added to the capability of the PAF to hit out-of-sight targets from a distance of up to 120 kilometres to evade enemy radars during air strikes. A lighter version of the bomb, H-2 model, can hit the out-of-sight targets from a range of up to 60 kilometres.

"It is a step towards adding the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles to our arsenal for defensive purposes and to address the strategic imbalance in the region," sources said.

The indigenously produced H-4 bombs is an achievement of the National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM), which works in close collaboration with Pakistan Missile Organizationand the Air Weapons Complex.

"Three successful tests of H-4, with the latest conducted this year, produced satisfactory results leading to addition of arsenal in the fighter jets," the sources said.

The H-4 bombs have been made through indigenous efforts by modifying the technological design of South African T-Darter BVR missiles. Till the induction of JF-17 Thunder in 2006, with a provision for BVRs, the H-2 and H-4 bombs could be carried by Mirage fighter jets. The H-4 infrared device is said to be comparable to that of the AA11, AA12 and Python 4 in the Indian arsenal.

Moreover, the sources said, fighter aircraft in PAF's arsenal have the "provision" to be fitted with precision-guided munitions and BVR missiles. When asked about advantages of BVR in Indian arsenal, PAF spokesperson Air Commodore Sarfaraz said: "We are aggressively trying to utilize whatever equipment we have to its optimum operational limits through professional training and by pursuing high standards of maintenance."

Mr Sarfaraz said: "We are aware of our technological needs and are vigorously trying to meet those requirements either through procurements or indigenous developments."

The European and the US suppliers were currently not willing to share the technology with Pakistan. However, contacts were being established with China, defence sources said, adding that JF-17 Thunder (to be inducted in 2006), F-16s and the Mirage aircraft in Pakistan's fleet all had the provision to be fitted with BVRs once the technology and the missiles would be acquired.

http://www.dawn.com/2003/12/18/top10.htm
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H-4 derived from T-darter but range is 120km ?? If it is true then the missile will be better then SD-10. What do u think ??
 

Oqaab

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umair said:
I'm confused "H-4 bomb derived from T-Darter BVR missiles" :?
I had the same feeling previously but now I m confident that it is a BVR air-to-air missile. Note, the report is comparing the missile with AA-12 and AA-11. :D
 

The Watcher

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Definately a good news for country like Pakistan.

The H-4 bombs have been made through indigenous efforts by modifying the technological design of South African T-Darter BVR missiles. Till the induction of JF-17 Thunder in 2006, with a provision for BVRs, the H-2 and H-4 bombs could be carried by Mirage fighter jets. The H-4 infrared device is said to be comparable to that of the AA11, AA12 and Python 4 in the Indian arsenal.
I'm glad pakistani scientists were able to modify and "invent" something similar to other BVR missiles in the world INSIDE pakistan. This would provide greater deal of flexibility and strethen PAF birds in the air.

What is the range for AWACS that India is getting?
 

Londo Molari

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There is some confusion..

some people arent even sure its a surface to air missile... and whether it really is derived from the T-Darter or the R-Darter.

Either way, if the ranges are anywhere near accurate, its great news for Pakistan.
 

nsdap_id

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:? :? The blocked sentence makes me confused. QUESTION: Do the Pak scientists make a bomb with AAM-derived seeker??? :!: :!: :eek :eek :eek

Anyway, it's nice since we also create a Snakeye-lookalike... :D :D :smokingc:
 

Oqaab

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The report could be bogus coz it says that its range is 120 kms and the SD-10 project is also running. Also, the reporter is comparing this missile with short range missiles like Python-4 and AA-11. It is similar to the previous report about Anti-jamming systems in Pakistani missiles.

What is the range for AWACS that India is getting?
Phalcons have a range of 400 kms.
 

tahir_kheshgi

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hey ppl this is a first time for me here... let me make things more clear for u.... the H-4 is not a muspow... it is BVRAAM... it is based on T darter and T darter is based on S darter.... only difference is that T darter has a data uplink and a range up to 120 km!! which is more that the USA and Isreal's AIM120 and AIM-7... they can only manage 70km... so if i can get this right... 120-70 = 50km.... this H-4 has a 50km more range than USA's and Isreal's BVR missiles.....obviously adequate radar system is made with the H-4 to make it work efficiently and PAF has already started to put these missiles on their current fleet of mirages, f-7pg;s and F-16s.. rather then waiting 4 JF-17's mass production in 2006! IT IS A GR8 NEWS FOR PAF, it gives them a gr8 edge over other airforces!..inclusion of jf-17 and a constant upgrade of the plane, F-16's, inclusion of J-10's and Mirage 2000-5 MK2's, and equiping these all with H-4 will lead to PAF becoming a lethal force!
 

Oqaab

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I dont think T-darter has a range of 120 kms. As I said before, if it is not bogus then PAF must have cancelled the SD-10 project with China. T-darter might be the H-2 missile having a range of 60 kms but H-4 is an air-to-ground missile. I confirmed this by a person(on other forum) who have worked on H-4 project. He previously worked at Air Weapons Complex.
 

umair

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Confirmed! H-4 is a version of the MUPSOW wit a turbojet engine :smokingc: .It's being integrated with our F-16s and Mirage III/Vs upgraded to ROSE standard.
 
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I wouldn't go overboard putting credence in this story. If they can't tell the difference between a bomb and a missile, then it lacks a certain amount of credibility wouldn't you say? Yes Pakistan may have developed an indigenous BVR air to air missile from the South African T-Darter, but this article (which contradicts itself) is not the best source of info on it's capabilities, and besides go to any manufacturers website and they'll tell you the same thing. They're product outclases anyone elses...
 

adsH

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it's definately a MUPSOW, the media is confused between this and the BVR Air to Air, since PAF outlined its weakness in earlier reports the "BVR deficency". the Ignorant Media jumps to conclusions, there sources are right but there information is messed up because they-re editors are ignorant corrupt people. Jang is the Biggest Paper Based media IN pakistan, it owns a 24hr TV News media too, but it lacks the Precision because it has too much internal corruption. And its the top level management that keeps ignorant people as editors to make sure they maintain control of there organization.
 

ashoaib

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Media sometime jumps to conclusions very early, there are a lot of contradictions in that report. It do not seems to be authentic.
 

muslim282

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The report regarding this bomb, bvr or whatever it may be can be found on pakistan defence.com. This l find a piss take ( pardon the language ) that the pakistan defence web sites allow such incorrect and self contradicting garbage to appear on their website. l agree with adSH that poor journalism by people who couldn,t tell you the difference between a cruise missile and a bullet are reporting on such important pieces of news.
lnstead they should look at using ex-armed forces staff to report on matters and not just somebody having completed their journalism diploma and of limited writing ability.
l personally don,t know of no bomb that can travel 120km, BVR missiles- that may be possible, but l doubt that the darter series of missiles can yet achieve that range, but again this is achievable.
l personally believe that this would be a darter series missile with an extended range. How far ? well who knows.
The other thing is that l don,t think pakistan will rely on the SD10 as there only BVR weapon.
 
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