Options for Egypt?

[Libyan]

Israel will be recieving the JSF and F-22

Turkey is likely to recieve f-15's and the jsf


Greece will recieve the Eurofighter

Libya may get Tornados and Hawks


In the face of all this the east mediteranean will be hopping, Egypt soldiers on with

210 f-16 (blk 42 and 35) (two different engine types)
85 Mirage 3
<20 mirage 2000
16 f-4
180 f-7/mig-21



I think Egypt should try and make some type of upgrade (anything even a spot light or different main gun)for its f-16s and use them strictly in the air to air for the time being these f-16s are more menuverable (turn radius) than the f-15


Meanwhile ask france for permission to use the Mirage2000/4000 and III fam, to develop a heavy
twin engined delta winged aircraft


some features of this should be
Possible thrust vectoring
Possible supercruise
Possible radar resistance

definate features of this aircraft must be

High altitude equal to the Mig-25 or F-22
long range with internal fuel
Long range radars equal to the f-14/mig-25
Heavy bombload.
Simplicity in both construction,matinence and operation!




Simple solutions for this could be

#1

Fiting the F-16 with a delta wing as in the f-16 xl



#2

Upscaling the mirage 3 into a twin engined bomber simmilar to the Mirage iv



#3

Upscaling the f-4 phantom and fitting it with engines common to the f-16



#4

Lastly attempt to buy into the MFI Russian Programme

 

[ashoaib]

Hmm, I think Egypt has peace treaty with Isreal so it do not need much defence equipment.

 

[highsea]

Israel will be recieving the JSF and F-22

Maybe in 2050. Lol. Where do you get this little tidbit?

The US isn't giving F-22's to anybody, that I've heard. The JSF list is a pretty short one, and Israel isn't on it. As far as I know, Israel has made only one small investment in the JSF, and that was to share a little technology.

I think Israel is perfectly happy with their F-16's.

-CM

 

[turin]

I think Egypt should try and make some type of upgrade (anything even a spot light or different main gun)for its f-16s and use them strictly in the air to air for the time being these f-16s are more menuverable (turn radius) than the f-15

Although I wouldnt go into details, upgrades will become simply necessary as time goes by. So yeah, I agree with that.
However....

Meanwhile ask france for permission to use the Mirage2000/4000 and III fam, to develop a heavy
twin engined delta winged aircraft


some features of this should be
Possible thrust vectoring
Possible supercruise
Possible radar resistance

definate features of this aircraft must be

High altitude equal to the Mig-25 or F-22
long range with internal fuel
Long range radars equal to the f-14/mig-25
Heavy bombload.
Simplicity in both construction,matinence and operation!

...sorry, but I think of that as a pure wishlist being not realistic at all. A domestic egyptian fighter programme? Where should they take the money from for such an ambitious project? Even the purchase of a modern western fighter would be more likely than that IMO. When JSF finally hits the markets, there will be quite some capable used aircraft available for purchase and Egypt may be interested in them (as well as other nations).

Originally posted by Libyan:
Israel will be recieving the JSF and F-22
Maybe in 2050. Lol. Where do you get this little tidbit?

Well, Im pretty sure that Israel will receive JSF around 2015-2020 if they got no other options of getting an equal addition to their forces then. The current JSF list is IMO by no means a list of the final users and that Israel has no investment in the programme does certainly not mean that they wont purchase the jet at all. Just because they are happy with their F-16's now does not mean they are not planning any new purchases for the next twenty years.

As for the F-22 I agree however. For Israel its simply too expensive for its abilities to maintain a useful number of them.

 

[adsH]

i doubt israel would be able to procure the F-22 anytime soon, i think they would be able to purchase the JSF, i think the only other operator (other then the USAF) that would (or might be allowed) F-22 is the RAF. But i seriously doubt RAF would cuff up the sum for it, they do have Typhoon+JSF on there shopping lists

 

[india2020]

The JSF will at first operate with the USAF and the RAF.It will only be after 5-6 years after they operate in these AF's that they will be delivered to the investors.Thta is why most of the countries have been reluctant to join the programme.Their own programms would probably finish faster than the JSF delivery time.

 

[Aussie Digger]

Australia has received assurances at a Government to Government level that if it wished to purchase F-22's, it would be allowed to do so, (though no doubt reduced in capability compared to American jets). However the Government seems to think that we can't afford them so they are not an option financially, politically, they wouldn't be a problem for Australia...

 

[adsH]

Australia has received assurances at a Government to Government level that if it wished to purchase F-22's, it would be allowed to do so, (though no doubt reduced in capability compared to American jets). However the Government seems to think that we can't afford them so they are not an option financially, politically, they wouldn't be a problem for Australia...

one reason why i didn't include the RAAF. i know they would never go for the F-22 they can find other Platformance, that would have comparable performs at much less the cost of the F-22. RAF is overwhelmed by ammount of purchases but they can get large amounts of funding if they need to buy something

 

[tatra]

Simple solutions for this could be
#1 Fiting the F-16 with a delta wing as in the f-16 xl
#2 Upscaling the mirage 3 into a twin engined bomber simmilar to the Mirage iv
#3 Upscaling the f-4 phantom and fitting it with engines common to the f-16
#4 Lastly attempt to buy into the MFI Russian Programme

#1 and #2 are not simple and the program under #4 is a dead duck. Now, fitting F4 with engines of F16 might be a good idea, but you'r talking about just 16 jets so that harldy makes a dent in the problem.

I'ld say, upgrade the Mig 21s, upgrade some f16s and increase the degree of commonality between the different blocks of this jet. Sell the Mirage IIIs to Pakistan. Either increase number of Mirage 2000 or sell them too and acquire used Tornado jets (both strike variant and ADV) in some numbers

 

[Libyan]

lets see


MFI isnt dead yet there is talk about India buying into it.


secondly


I failed to mention that egypt has a fighter programme right now in the works, (no I am not talking about the 1960s ha-300)

I had meant unless egypts programme can produce a prototype fighter equal to the recent developments of the east mediteranean they should scrap it.



as for some of the aircraft I talked about or the technical modifications, they have allready been done.

f-16 with delta wings http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Visschedijk/2584.jpg


F-4 with PW-110 engine was done by israel as part of their super Kurnass (heavy hammer/war hammer)


twin engined mirage 3 = south african project carver/cava


as for upgrading the migs why upgrade such old and obsolete equipment, I think the mirage 3 is better for egypt than the mig-21/f7 as its range is greater and its nosecone section can hold a far bigger radar.

as for selling them to pakistan it wouldnt be as attractive an option as a 3 area development of f-16/dm3 and fc-1 immagine for a momment.




egypt has 210 f-16s

Pakistan has 20

egypt has "85" mirage 3/5

pakistan has 180

it would be nice for egypt and pakistan to come to some agreement where the f-16 spares and technology would be produced
while mirage 3 and fc-1 aircraft would be made more common

The Mirage 3 in south african service has been fitted with a new radar and engine able to fire soviet/russian AAMs and ASM's Immagine for a momment.



the Egyptian and Pakistani airforces being merged and split


both recieving

120 f-16
130 dmIII
150 fc-1
120 f-7/mig-21

This still leaves the two forces needing a heavier fighter in the class of the su-27/f-15/f-14

solution being a new generation fighter!

 

[tatra]

I didn't say #1 and #2 were impossible, unrpoven concepts or untested. But they aren't practical and they aren't cost-effective. And combning then splitting the egyptian and pakistani airforce inventories simply isn't going to happen.