NZ Light Utility Helicopter Tender Released

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Lucasnz

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The MOD website has been updated. They are seeking tenders (which close 15 Jan 2007) for a helicopter with a Max All Up Weight of 3 Tonne, with preference with retractable undercarriage for risk reduction reasons including deck landings.

Must be currently in production (off the shelf) with twin engines and Full Authority Digtial Engine control (whatever that means). Required to be VFR & IFR capable and use night vision goggles. Capable of pilot and aircrew training.
 

mug

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Just to elaborate (link):

Request for tender
Training/Light Utility Helicopter (T/LUH) Capability

The Ministry of Defence is managing a project to acquire a Training/Light Utility Helicopter (T/LUH) that will be employed more broadly than as a basic training helicopter. The T/LUH will support the NH90 in the conduct of counter-terrorist or police operations. The T/LUH will also provide helicopter ab-initio and advanced helicopter pilot training, Qualified Helicopter Instructor training as well as providing a full range of crewman training tasks.

The Crown’s intention is to seek capability solutions that minimise procurement costs by maximising ‘off the shelf’ content and limiting non-recurring engineering costs, without unduly constraining a Respondents ability to offer innovative solutions. Specifically, the T/LUH must be currently in production and have twin engines with Full Authority Digital Engine Control, a fully integrated digital cockpit utilising multi-function displays, a Flight Management System, an advanced autopilot and be capable of certification to FAR/JAR Part 27 or equivalent military standards. The helicopter must embody a secure military communications suite. The helicopter must be suitable for training pilots and aircrewmen in all day and night VFR and IFR operations including; the use of night vision goggles, the conduct of winching and the carriage of underslung loads. The Crown has a preference for a T/LUH with a retractable wheeled undercarriage for a range of training and risk mitigation reasons, including deck operations and conformity of lead-in training to the NH90 and SH-2G Seasprite, as well as to provide some growth potential for future maritime light utility tasks. It is envisaged that the T/LUH, at Maximum All Up Weight, will be in the 3-tonne class. The delivery of a suitable Flight Training Device is an integral requirement of the project.

The project involves the manufacture and delivery of a Training/Light Utility Helicopter and the provision of a Flight Training Device along with appropriate technical and integrated logistic support for both.
The Ministry invites companies that: have an in-production T/LUH which meets the specific capability requirements detailed in the Request For Tender (RFT) documentation; can facilitate the delivery of an appropriate Flight Training Device; and that have the skills, experience, resources and capabilities to undertake such a project, to tender for the provision of a Training/Light Utility Helicopter capability to the Crown.

The purpose of the Request For Tender is:

to seek tenders in order to assess which respondents have both an in-production helicopter that meets the requirements detailed in the RFT documentation and the requisite skills, experience, resources and capabilities to provide a T/LUH capability;
to allow the Ministry to conduct a competitive ‘value for money’ comparison between submitted tenders; and
to allow the Ministry to identify and select those respondents to whom it will issue a best and final offer or contract proposal.
Prospective respondents should contact WGCDR Barry Nelson via email at the address below, requesting a copy of the RFT documentation. Documents will be supplied by return email and will include both PDF© and MS Excel© files. Hard copy documents will be provided if specifically requested, noting that both hard and electronic copies of responses will be required in due course.

Any other queries should be addressed to:

Project Team Leader (T/LUH)
Acquisition Division
Ministry of Defence
PO Box 5347
Lambton Quay
Wellington
NEW ZEALAND

Email: [email protected]
Fax +64 4 4960858

The Request For Tender for the Training/Light Utility Helicopter Capability Project closes at 12 noon (New Zealand Daylight Time) on Monday, 15 January 2007.
 

mug

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1. I'm intrigued by the "deck operations and ... growth potential for future maritime light utility tasks."

Just a reference to the MRV or something more?

2.
The Crown has a preference for a T/LUH with a retractable wheeled undercarriage
It would seem that the EC135/635 is out of the running?
 

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mug said:
1. I'm intrigued by the "deck operations and ... growth potential for future maritime light utility tasks."

Just a reference to the MRV or something more?

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It would seem that the EC135/635 is out of the running?
I would tend to agree - I think they're looking more at something like the
A-109.
 

Sea Toby

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I agree, the A-109 would be a great addition to the NH90s. Hopefully, New Zealand will be able to afford more than 6. Currently New Zealand operates 14 Hueys, their airlift capacity will be increased with 8 NH90s and 6 A-109s.
 
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NZLAV

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Maritime utility tasks, mayby a future armed version?
Looking at the armament options, these would be mine:
Machine gun-pod 12.7 mm with 3 tubes 70 mm rockets
Antitank missiles (Hellfire)
Air-to-air missiles (Mistral)
 

KH-12

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The A109 goes for about $6M(NZ) for the airframe only, so maybe make that $10M each to include spares etc. I heard Phil Goff mention 6 as a number but I would be hoping for at least 8 airframes, especially for the expanded role. I gues the Panther / EC155 would also be a contender but with a higher price tag but a nice useful load especially the EC155 with the enlarged fuse.(however the 3 tonne spec does point to the A109 the AS365/EC155 have a higher MAUW than 3 tonne).

In fact it sounds like the tender has been written exactly to the A109 spec, I heard a rumour that AW was offering a good deal to get the sale and obtain a presence in the NZ market with a view to moving volume in the civil market also.

Why has it taken so long for the government to get on with this, time to spend some of the $11 B surplus :)
 

Whiskyjack

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The A109 goes for about $6M(NZ) for the airframe only, so maybe make that $10M each to include spares etc. I heard Phil Goff mention 6 as a number but I would be hoping for at least 8 airframes, especially for the expanded role. I gues the Panther / EC155 would also be a contender but with a higher price tag but a nice useful load especially the EC155 with the enlarged fuse.(however the 3 tonne spec does point to the A109 the AS365/EC155 have a higher MAUW than 3 tonne).

In fact it sounds like the tender has been written exactly to the A109 spec, I heard a rumour that AW was offering a good deal to get the sale and obtain a presence in the NZ market with a view to moving volume in the civil market also.

Why has it taken so long for the government to get on with this, time to spend some of the $11 B surplus :)
Would be interesting to see if any extras would be included, e.g. FLIR, ECM etc...

That would probably put the price up slightly, if they are to be used in a CT role as well as a basic maritime then I would think that the FLIR would be a given.
 

RubiconNZ

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Would be interesting to see if any extras would be included, e.g. FLIR, ECM etc...

That would probably put the price up slightly, if they are to be used in a CT role as well as a basic maritime then I would think that the FLIR would be a given.
It would be good if the NZ govt had the forsight to include these, I'm sure the Police would appreciate some extra air support when needed, Surely for pure functionality at least 8-10 frames are needed, not to mention around 13-14? Siouxs are being replaced so if you replace aircraft and give it additional responsibilities surely a similar amount, not that logic has much sense in defence acquistions I suppose...
 

KH-12

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I think the installation of a FLIR system would be a given, with its intended role as a lead-in to the NH90, what will be interesting will be if they opt for a version with possible weapon integration as per the South African version.

They may go with a modified version of the A109 Grand which is a larger version with more powerful engines, the extra cabin space would be good, especially in the light transport role.

There are quite a few different version and configs (engine options) so will be interesting to see what the final selection looks like.
 

Gibbo

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Maritime utility tasks, mayby a future armed version?
Looking at the armament options, these would be mine:
Machine gun-pod 12.7 mm with 3 tubes 70 mm rockets
Antitank missiles (Hellfire)
Air-to-air missiles (Mistral)
Finally some apparent progress on this project!!!:cool: I'd strongly suspect there are 2 aspects to the requirement for ability to operate from vessels. Firstly simply to offer a cheaper alternative for Navy chopper pilot training esp. with respect to ship flightdeck op's. Secondly - I think it's highly likely that we will see this chopper made available as an option for the new OPV's to cover situations where operational req's see there being no available SeaSprite a/c available.

When the RNZN has all 'Project Protector' vessels in service there will be 5 helicopter capable vessels in use - albeit not necessarily at the same time. currently 6 squadron operates 5 SeaSprites with a 'guaranteed' concurrent availability of 3 airframes. Factor in training tasks & things are going to be VERY tight for 6 Sqn in future.

My gut-feel is the Govt will stick to it's earlier decree that (up to?) 6 airframes will be purchased - hell the surplus is only 9 billion (after adjustments) after all! :rolleyes: Nor of course will they have any weapons fit - maybe some sort of sensor fit for RNZN patrol duites (FLIR, search radar!?!).

However such a purchase (esp. if it is the A109) leaves the door WIDE open for future additional purchases to allow introduction of an armed support (recon?) version for Army - a perfect adjunct to the NH-90.

I'm firmly convinced the RNZAF is quite consciously asking for something that will, once a change of govt occurs, provide an easy transition to an armed chopper capability. This would ideally be with additional purchases as 6 choppers won't cope with all the training tasks; maritime patrol op's; and light utility tasks.

Here's hoping...
 

KH-12

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Hopefully AW comes back with a very sharp tender price and we can afford at least 8 , I suppose the 6 was based on a direct replacement for the Sioux (which is only used in a training role). If they opt for the A109 M /LUH variant there is always the option of "weaponing" up at a later date. I can't imagine the package going so far as to include a Search radar, that would be a significant mod (not much romm under the fuse anyway :( ), the FLIR is already a standard option however.

At the rate this project is going it would be unlikely to have anything in service prior to 2008, the simulator is a good idea should save a significant amount of airframe hours.
 

Sea Toby

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Since New Zealand has a tight inventory of Seasprites and NH90s, it would be nice if New Zealand had an overage of A-109s, the smaller, much cheaper helicopter to fill in any role whenever necessary. While they can't lift or carry as much, the A-109s can fly. I'm hoping for an increased number, such as a purchase of eight to ten A-109s.

I like the A-109s and A-139s so much, I was hoping one or the other would have won the naval helicopter order instead of the Seasprites.
 

RubiconNZ

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I like the A-109s and A-139s so much, I was hoping one or the other would have won the naval helicopter order instead of the Seasprites.
Could a A-109 be modded to carry mavericks? I am assuming as they carry Hellfires it could not be that difficult, it would provide a limited Anti tank support capability if this could be developed
 
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Could a A-109 be modded to carry mavericks? I am assuming as they carry Hellfires it could not be that difficult, it would provide a limited Anti tank support capability if this could be developed
Not to mention the additional anti-ship capacity if they were embarked upon the OPV's...
 

stray_kiwi

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Must be currently in production (off the shelf) with twin engines and Full Authority Digtial Engine control (whatever that means).
FADEC represents the latest in aviation engine development. It's basically a complete engine control system which allows a bunch of features like improved throttle response throughout the operating envelope, safer running because it won't allow air/fuel mixture conditions to exceed its parameters so you are less likely to get flameouts or turbine overspeeds, easier less complex startup and shutdown procedures, more comprehensive maintenance data, etc...

It has some downsides in terms of its complexity but I think its a great idea simply because the rest of the aviation industry are adopting it so its kind of silly for the military to bypass it.
 

Whiskyjack

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LTDP-06 has a budget of $110m, I am guessing 6-8 based on that figure.
 

contedicavour

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Not to mention the additional anti-ship capacity if they were embarked upon the OPV's...
Navalized Agusta 109s (especially if in the "Power" configuration with more powerful engines) can carry Sea Skua and Marte Mk2S besides Hellfire. However the anti-ship missiles are heavy and limit the helo's range and speed. Larger helos such as Nh90s are much better suited for anti-ship missiles.

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