New Zealand signs A109 contract
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$27 million each sheese, the unit cost prob about a quarter of that, don't the rests of the costs add up fast.
I heard they ended up aquiring 9 NH90s, thats the 14 one for one replacements. Need something cheaper for basic tranining tasks, R44 or similar, as Bell Sioux replacements. Using the 109 is like replacing your fleet of Daihatsu mini cars with Mercedes S class.
I heard they ended up aquiring 9 NH90s, thats the 14 one for one replacements. Need something cheaper for basic tranining tasks, R44 or similar, as Bell Sioux replacements. Using the 109 is like replacing your fleet of Daihatsu mini cars with Mercedes S class.
There is a full axis simulator as part of the deal which is probably worth around $10-$12M however it still does'nt look like a bargin for the 5 airframes even taking into account provision for spares (although the current RNZAF practice is not to hold large amounts of spares in stock, and as the A109 is essentially a civil aircraft the logistics chain should be pretty good) would be interesting to know the fit-out which could explain the high price, I'm assuming a winch and NVS minimum, although you would get alot of extras for a $1M on an aircraft like the A109. I noticed an advertisement the other day offering delivery of brand new A109 in less than 12 Months for civil customers, why 2010 given that the Sioux has been on their last legs for so long now, it would make sense to get them in service before the NH90's start arriving.
In 2006 the Swedish defence ministry annouced a deal for 20 A109 military variants for a total package of 1.4 Billion SEK which included spares and training. This equates to a NZD equivalent of $15M per airframe ex the sim or $75M for the aircraft and associated package, wonder why the Goff deal is nearly twice this amount ? , maybe the Swedes are better negiotiators, sounds like the same people who did the NH90 deal were involved :dodgy
Might be the gold inlay leather fitout for Aunty Helen that is costing the extra
In 2006 the Swedish defence ministry annouced a deal for 20 A109 military variants for a total package of 1.4 Billion SEK which included spares and training. This equates to a NZD equivalent of $15M per airframe ex the sim or $75M for the aircraft and associated package, wonder why the Goff deal is nearly twice this amount ? , maybe the Swedes are better negiotiators, sounds like the same people who did the NH90 deal were involved :dodgy
Might be the gold inlay leather fitout for Aunty Helen that is costing the extra
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RubiconNZ
The Wanderer
In a reply to a email in which I wrote to the Def Min "appropriate numbers of rescue hoists. external cargo hooks, and emergency floats will be purchased" he wouldn't disclose the military fit out, never no there could be a weapons package.
Additionally he said the LUH's were for domestic use however the aim was that 2 A-109's could be deployed for 2 month periods.
recce.k1
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Perhaps some of the extra costs are related to having outsourced training done in Europe? A la the NH90 training plans described at http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6601&page=30 post 444
I can't quite remember the source however I'm pretty sure it was a NZ publication possibly Pacific Wings or NZ Aviation News.
I would'nt have expected that much of a differential due to a volume break discount, we are not talking widgets out of China here !
stryker NZ
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does anyone know how much the South African air force is buying their A109's for i know it must be somewhere but my searches havent come up with the price tag yet
Apparently Malaysia got 11 airframes(A109LUH) for $US70M back in 2005, so how many spares did we buy ? :shudder
F-15 Eagle
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Wait what are they going to replace?
Edit: Sorry my stupid mistake I did not see the whole article until now.....
Edit: Sorry my stupid mistake I did not see the whole article until now.....