Navy Promotes Planned DD(X) Destroyer as Critics Cite Size, Cost

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Navy Promotes Planned DD(X) Destroyer as Critics Cite Size, Cost

WASHINGTON - The hypothetical enemy never saw it coming.

The U.S. Navy's next generation destroyer, the DD(X), used its stealth technology and long-range guns to devastate enemy missile sites Monday during computer simulations designed to show off its capabilities.

The ship then turned to defeat a submarine, fought off missile and gunboat attacks while working with Marine expeditionary forces and carrier strike groups.

The simulation at the company's Arlington, Va., office was to show the media the capabilities of the DD(X), part of a family of warships that use advanced materials, revolutionary weapons and a radical propulsion system.

The DD(X), which is still being designed by a team led by Northrop Grumman Ship Systems, has passed the first eight of 10 Navy preliminary design reviews, according to company president Philip Dur.

Official results have not been released.

"People on (Capitol) Hill want to understand that the money they spend is going to yield an effective warship," said Dur.

Designers say the DD(X) will be a powerful weapon because it combines the stealth of a submarine with the communications ability of a normal surface ship, and an artillery range the Navy has never known before.

Work on the lead DD(X) ship is scheduled to begin in March 2005.

While the contract has yet to be awarded, Northrop Grumman's Ingalls operation in Pascagoula is the lead design agent for the vessel.

The Pascagoula shipyard builds the Navy's current destroyer.

Critics and boosters agree the DD(X) is the Navy's most revolutionary ship in decades.

Northrop Grumman officials describe it as "a quantum leap in naval warfare."

The destroyer's hull design, utilizing stealth technology, makes the 600-foot-long ship look like a fishing boat to radar. It will face the preliminary review panel next week.

The stealthy hull served the ship well in computer simulations, allowing it to sneak close to shore and strike at targets 100 miles inland with its twin 155 mm guns. However, the estimated $1.2 to $1.4 billion ship has its critics.

"The DD(X) strikes me as too big, too heavy and too comprehensive," said Marcus Corbin, a senior analyst at the Center for Defense Information.

Corbin said a ship the size of DD(X) would present quite a target for hostile fire no matter how stealthy its design. He said he believed a number of smaller ships would be better able to work through enemy fire.

But Dur said the ship's radar signature would make it hard for enemy missiles to target and that, according to computer tests, the destroyer will have a 95 percent chance of defeating a six-missile attack by using countermeasures.

Corbin worried about the validity of computer-only tests.

"Those probabilities really have to be taken with a bucket of salt," he said. "I sure wouldn't want to be the sailor on board to test (the missile defense systems) out as 120 Chinese Silkworm (missiles) come at it."
Dur said a bigger ship would give sailors a better chance of surviving an attack.

He also said he believed the DD(X) was the cheapest and most effective way to do the job.

"Taking the gun off this ship and putting it on a hull only gives you a gun with a range of 100 miles," Dur said, explaining that other ships would have to be built to do other DD(X) duties. "Could you field it in multiple platforms? Sure, but at what cost?"

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But Dur said the ship's radar signature would make it hard for enemy missiles to target and that, according to computer tests, the destroyer will have a 95 percent chance of defeating a six-missile attack by using countermeasures.

Corbin worried about the validity of computer-only tests.

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"Those probabilities really have to be taken with a bucket of salt," he said. "I sure wouldn't want to be the sailor on board to test (the missile defense systems) out as 120 Chinese Silkworm (missiles) come at it."


Dur said a bigger ship would give sailors a better chance of surviving an attack.
What a load of absolute rubbish.

1) Current US naval Vessels are able to take on considerably more than 6 concurrent targets at once.

2) The PLAAF is unable to field the right number of platforms to launch 120+ silkworms anyway (I guess this gent hasn't looked at what is required to carry and deploy a silkworm)

3) Under NETFORCE a US Strike Force is able to identify concurrent targets and prioritise a response for over 1000 incoming.

4) No Navy, and that includes the Russians who are using far more numerous platforms, and who have far longer ranging missiles, and who actually "trained" and rushed US CBG's in the past, would have a remote chance.

I'm sorry to say that these people have not been dealing with the right information, because his answers demonstrate a knowledge gap of about 3 years.

A larger vessel is not the requirement for survival, its the EW integration and interaction with other force assets. This is the kind of response that comes up when people say "add armour" to a ship to protect it from missiles - a very limited text book comprehension.

Patently wrong, and glaringly so to anyone who knows what systems are in play
 

Winter

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Well, there is that little family member from the DD(X), the Littoral Combat Ship, which seems exactly what those DD(X) crictics are looking for...What is the relationship between the two?
 
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The littoral combat ship is only going to be armed with relatively lightweight weapons. It's in concept more like a heavily armed patrol boat. The DDX as I understand it, will be a replacement for the US's current cruisers and possibly Arleigh Burke class destroyers. This "notional" scenario is ridiculous. AS if anyone in their right mind, even if capable of and sufficiently well equipped would waste 120 ASM's on a single ship, no matter how valuable. This scenario completely disregards the fact that the ship would part of a battlegroup and would not be soley relying on it's own weapons and systems for it's defense, but rather an integrated and vastly overlapping defence package. In addition as gf pointed out, this scenario vastly under-rated this class of ships self defence capacity. The Arleigh Burke class destroyers have greater capability than that mentioned in this article. I doubt billions would be spent on a ship designed as a direct replacement would have less capability than a current class!!!
 

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It seems unlikely that the DDX would move in very very close to shore: that's the LCS's job. It will be used to interdict enemy coastal forces (i.e. DDX escort if and when moving close to shore), control unmanned naval vehicles, assist SO-forces insertion, etc.

Clearly, there will be an effort to have these two very different ships share components and (sub)systems but their are and remain totally different vessels. One cannot substitute for the other.
 

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tatra said:
It seems unlikely that the DDX would move in very very close to shore: that's the LCS's job. It will be used to interdict enemy coastal forces (i.e. DDX escort if and when moving close to shore), control unmanned naval vehicles, assist SO-forces insertion, etc.

Clearly, there will be an effort to have these two very different ships share components and (sub)systems but their are and remain totally different vessels. One cannot substitute for the other.
The platform "fit" is a similar issue to the F-22 and the JSF/F-35. At a development level the US sees them as complimentary platforms - one cannot and does not negate the operational relevancy of the other.

It's a variation of the hi-lo mix.
 
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